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So much thanks to you all for your date-setting.

The young couple who were number one in our calculations to be depicted in the photo were married in 1893, which makes them look to be the ones. Other possibilities were years before which puts them out of the running.

Also for the cleaning up of the photo - thank you!  :)

You’re legends!

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Would appreciate some expert eye to look at this rather poor quality photo and proffer an estimate of year/decade it was taken.

I do not have the original photo, so cannot give any more details other than I know the photo was taken in Australia.

Much appreciated

Earlsdau


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Gloucestershire / Re: Elusive Hannah Wiltshire
« on: Wednesday 12 September 18 11:51 BST (UK)  »
You said: 'Btw, I couldn't see the family migration map address that you refer to...'

Sorry that comment was written by the researcher and was a time limited link. I should have deleted the (address below) comment!

I hope you enjoy meeting up with your husband's fourth cousin twice removed!

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Gloucestershire / Re: Elusive Hannah Wiltshire
« on: Wednesday 12 September 18 08:14 BST (UK)  »
It is the only conclusion I can draw despite the lack of evidence.....that there were two couples named William and Mary DREWETT. Both first names being common of course. It makes it excruciatingly hard when there are couples of the same name, same age group, same village/area etc.

 When I said that Mary PHILLIPS is credited with being the mother of Rachel, I mean by others namely on certain website trees. Because of the children and baptism dilemma I have never been comfortable to espouse that theory.

In 2015 I received the following response from a researcher in regard to this matter.

“......I have also searched  both the Oxon. and N. Berks, marriage indexes for a marriage of their parents, William and Mary in order to determine her maiden name, but have failed to find this in either index.  I have also checked the Standlake register for any sign of banns being read there for such a marriage but found none. It would seem that they either never married, or else did so outside the county.

For interest, I have added DREWETT to the family migration map (address below). This appears to show that the DREWETT in the Shiplake/Henley area were incomers, appearing in 1789 with Henry's baptism, which strengthens the view that his parents married elsewhere.”

Spelling variants included in this search (most frequent first) are:
DREWETT, DRUET, DREWET, DRUETT, DREWITT, DREWIT, DRUAT, DRUIT, DROUGHT, DRUITT, DREWEATT, DREWAT, DREWATT, DREWEAT, DRUATT, DREUATE, DREUET, DREUT, DREWST, DREWT, DROUET, DRUEAT, DREWART, DREWATE, DREWETE, DREWIIT, DREWITT?, DREWITT-NUTT, DREWTT, DREWYTT, DROIT, DROUETT, DROUT, DRUATE, DRUETTE.

Another researcher I employed on this same paradox concluded that she couldn't find them and agreed with me that the baptism dates of the children of the Shiplake and Winchcombe couples (as I outlined last night) was untenable if they were one and the same.

Perhaps the parents of Rachel and indeed Hannah (if Hannah is the mother of George) will remain a mystery which is unsolvable.

There was something else I wanted to mention but have forgotten it amidst my angst of Will and Mary!!

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Gloucestershire / Re: Elusive Hannah Wiltshire
« on: Tuesday 11 September 18 16:18 BST (UK)  »
I have reached a bit of a stalemate at that point too. I sometimes wonder if the name Wiltshire indicates they came from that adjoining county and if so when did it happen? Could the Gloucestershire connection have started with Robert WILTSHIRE (circa 1735-1804).

I haven't found any substantiating evidence which proves his birth as being 1735 either. Around that date makes him 26 when he married.....which is a nice age 😁. This needs a lot more scrutiny however.

My biggest problem with the DREWETT family is the supposed parents, William and Mary. Have you ever noticed that the person credited with being the mother of Rachel DREWETT is a Mary PHILLIPS? Have you also ever noticed that there was (when I last researched this at least) only one William DREWETT and a Mary married within a reasonable time frame of Rachel and her siblings being born - 8th May 1774. The good thing or the problem is we know for a fact that Rachel was born in Shiplake, Oxfordshire.

A William and Mary DREWETT from Shiplake had four children

Henry
William & Mary DREWETT
Shiplake
1779


Hannah
William & Mary DREWETT
Shiplake
1781
bapt. 11 Feb 1781


Rachel
William & Mary DREWETT
Shiplake
1782
bapt 24 Nov 1782


Elizabeth
William & Mary DREWETT
Shiplake
1785

Now compare this to the children of William and Mary DREWETT (neé PHILLIPS) whom we know lived in Winchcombe or who lived there for at least some of the time. If you compare the names and dates of baptisms of the above and then to the Winchcombe born DREWETTS...it's totally crazy and mixed up. They overlap and W'm and Mary would be rushing from Shiplake to Winchcombe back and forth......and children were being baptised in both places - twice (if they are the same family).

I have all this documented but am away from home at the moment so can't access the names just now.




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Gloucestershire / Re: Elusive Hannah Wiltshire
« on: Tuesday 11 September 18 15:02 BST (UK)  »

Firstly did you mean father or 'brother’? George also did have a ‘brother’ Robert (1815-1888).

Although any Baptismal records for George have (up to when I researched him) not been available online I believe that George is the son of Hannah and Robert WILTSHIRE, which I will explain in a minute.

Robert and Hannah married in London on 6th March 1799 at St Luke's, Chelsea, London just one month after his discharge from the Military. The marriage is said to be between Robert WILKSHIRE and Hannah DURET however Hannah signed her own name as DRUITT. Because of the similarity of the surnames of Hannah (1st wife) and Rachel (2nd wife) then it seems highly possible that Hannah is the sister of Rachel. Added to that, Rachel DREWETT (bapt 24/11/1782) did have a sister Hannah (bapt 11/02/1781). Also a small point but both girls 'signed' at their marriages.

Interestingly like for George there are no records that I can find for any other children born to them between 1799 and 1811. However, neither are their subsequent records for older siblings of Georges definitely linking them. Of course, by the time of the 1841 census any older siblings would have flown the coop.

We know that Hannah was buried on 3/04/1811. The reason I think that George is Hannah's birth child rather than Rachel’s is because George's death certificate states that when he died on 23/02/1874 he was recorded as being aged 62. Now I know that the age stated on death certs is not always accurate but let's assume for the moment that it is true.

1). If Hannah is not the mother then who is, as it seems likely that George was born between 24/02/1811 and 23/02/1812? If Rachel is the birth mother we know that she and Robert were not married until 29/03/1812. We know that there were illegitimate children born all the time so on that basis it’s entirely possible that George was Rachel's birth child. Yes it is unfortunate that the 1841 census didn't reveal relationships but I suspect that it would have said ‘mother’ anyway, rather than aunt, because in most senses of the word she was his mother from his infancy.

2). We know that Hannah died and was buried in April 1811. On her death record it states that she was 'wife of Robert Wiltshire'. The date of Hannah's death falls right within the timeline of George's birth based on his death certificate. So I suspect that Hannah either died during childbirth or puerperal (postpartum) fever in the days following giving birth to George.

Regardless of whether George was Hannah's child or Rachel's (assuming they were full biological sisters) his genealogy is the same at any rate.

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London and Middlesex / Re: Tracing Louisa!
« on: Friday 26 May 17 14:20 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Tsu. I guess she fits the age and the general area. I need to investigate where this L.C. has been for the previous thirty years.



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London and Middlesex / Re: GRO cert question
« on: Thursday 25 May 17 12:35 BST (UK)  »
No nanny jan, I did not know that resource was available. Many times it would have saved a great deal of frustration in not knowing an age or maiden name!

Thank you very much! Anything else really useful you can tell me - hehe?  ;D

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London and Middlesex / Tracing Louisa!
« on: Thursday 25 May 17 11:49 BST (UK)  »
Hello All,

Having trouble tracking back further on the parents of someone I posted a question about a few weeks ago.

A William CHAMBERS and Louisa BEDWITH were married in Parish of St. Dunstans, Stepney on 21st May 1827. Apart from two sons, one William, baptised in May 1828 and another, Edward born circa 1830 and baptised Aug 1831 I don't have many other clues.

From what I can see it looks as though (if I have the correct connection) that by the time Edward was baptised (1831) the family may have been in the St. Botolph without Bishopsgate workhouse. Again when Edward was buried in 1832 the family were still in the workhouse. From there the trail goes relatively cold.

I cannot find the family (singly or together) in the 1841 census, either in Middlesex or elsewhere in England. I have tried a number of spellings and other variations. Some William CHAMBERS are locatable but none with a Louisa and only one or two with a young son William whom I am fairly satisfied are not them.

Around 1848 I have an emigration record for son William (aged 20). So he was not in the UK at the time of the 1851 census.

In regard to the father, in 1851 there is a William CHAMBERS, aged 41(?), a widower, born in Bishopsgate and a Silk Weaver (which we know him to be from his son's baptism records). He was living in Grey Eagle Street, Christ Church, Tower Hamlets. He is a likely contender but no solid basis for believing him to be the correct W.C.

I can find no parish records for the death of Louisa (from 1830) nor GRO events after 1837 (or at least between 1837 and 1851).

Surprisingly I believe I have a baptism of her on 28th Feb 1808 in Spitalfields, where she is one of ‘Trinns' (triplets).

Where is likely to be my best source for this information? Is there any central repository of Middlesex parish records? Surely there would be at least a parish death record for Louisa CHAMBERS, even if she was desperately poor in the East End of London at that time.

Many thanks!



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