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Australia / Re: Philip Henry AYDON
« on: Sunday 11 February 18 22:39 GMT (UK)  »
Two days after Agnes died on 24 July 1875 her death certificate shows that she was the wife of PH Aydon of Sandridge, Melbourne, not a gold miner somewhere in Victoria. So she and/or her sons knew of his whereabouts at the time of her death, although the boys, still calling themselves Roscow, were presumably not aware that he may have been their father.
From looking through various Nelson newspapers, it appears that Frederick changed his name to Aydon 3 years later in 1878, and Archibald the following year. When Archibald married in 1881 he gave his father's name as Philip Henry, and called one of his sons (I think the firstborn) Philip. So he evidently believed PH to be his father. When Frederick married in Melbourne in 1883, it was noted in local newspapers that he was the eldest son of PH Aydon of Emerald Hill - 'eldest son of' not just 'son of'. So he also seems to have believed Archibald to be PH's son, and presumably so did Philip Henry, who was obviously in contact with him.
So it seems that only Agnes knew the truth. I think comparison of DNA tests of descendants of PH's siblings with ours might give the best answer. Probably not Frederick's because his paternity could also be in doubt - Agnes gave birth to him a few months after marrying PH.

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Australia / Re: Philip Henry AYDON
« on: Saturday 27 January 18 03:50 GMT (UK)  »
Many thanks.

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Australia / Re: Philip Henry AYDON
« on: Monday 22 January 18 05:52 GMT (UK)  »
Years out of date, but I've found a death notice for Phillip/Henry in the Argus, Melbourne, on 8 May 1893, that states that Phillip Henry Aydon, aged 66, late of Victoria railways, died aboard the steamship Hohenstaufen en route to Southhampton on 12 February 1893. (Via Trove, Aus newspapers). Can't find a death certificate for him though.

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Australia / Re: Philip Henry AYDON
« on: Monday 03 June 13 05:34 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for that info. I've realised after seeing a Mr and Mrs Aydon arriving in Hobart in 1862 that there seem to be other Aydon families in Australia. Next time I'm in Melbourne I'll try and check out the Henry Aydon from Victoria railways just in case, as you mention, he isn't our one.

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Australia / Re: Philip Henry AYDON
« on: Saturday 01 June 13 02:39 BST (UK)  »
Cando, I didn't explain myself very well previously. My 'version' was something I'd typed up c25 yrs ago from a photocopy of Archibald's birth cert. I've hardly looked in my genealogy boxes in the intervening years, but last night I ferreted around and found the photocopy. And yes, with the help of a magnifying glass it is Ballarat Street (looks more like Shub), Jms B Bradshaw, occupier, is the informant a month later when Archibald's birth is registered. Henry is definitely recorded as a miner (whoever provided you with info about him being described as storekeeper on it (above) gave you incorrect info.) Notwithstanding, Henry doesn't appear to have been around.

I can see there might be reasons for James not acknowledging Archibald as his son - he was married, or they were keeping up appearances (if this was an issue in Melbourne at that time). But James certainly was happy to acknowledge paternity in 1859. Based on this, for the moment at least, I will still assume the cert. to be correct and Henry was the father.

Thank you for the info regarding Philip Henry's career as a sailor; this was completely new to me and explains a lot of things (it must be him surely as everything matches up). As does the 1861 census. It's interesting that he's listed as a gentleman - did he do well from his father's will? I doubt if he made money from gold mining. He couldn't have been too well off to be back working in Oz by the 1870s. I wonder if he returned to England after he retired and that's why we can't find a death cert.
It's difficult to make sense of this couple - Agnes sounds like she was a tough cookie, but I guess she was just trying to survive the best she could.

I also have a photocopy of the marriage cert. for 1853. Somewhere above I saw Agnes' mother's name as Emily Rington. On this cert. it says Emily Ringrose.

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Australia / Re: Philip Henry AYDON
« on: Friday 31 May 13 08:05 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Cando - the info I had was Ballarat ?, Melbourne and I thought this was just the way it was written. But Ballarat Street certainly explains the anomaly, and Archibald always gave his birthplace as Melbourne.  I do have Henry's occupation as a miner on my version of the certificate.

Perhaps, as you mentioned, Agnes had already left him. As a descendent of Archibald, born with the surname Aydon, and told the Aydon family stories when young, it comes as a complete shock to think he may not have been Henry's son.


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Australia / Re: Philip Henry AYDON
« on: Friday 31 May 13 02:20 BST (UK)  »
Hi nmg1
I tried replying to your message but not sure if it was sent. I'm descended through the same line as you, but I'm not doing any family history research at present - just saw this site when trying to get Aydon info for a rellie - and decided to add in what I know. I do have recent images of Eagle Hawk Gully if you'd like to give me an email address to send them to (I received your message ok just couldn't seem to reply).
 
To descendants of Frederick - I'm not surprised at the theatre involvement - it seems to have been a family thing. Back in the 70s I met some of Philip Henry's granddaughters and they had been involved in vaudeville in Nelson when young. Frederick did work for the Victorian railways (1881-1895) after he returned to Melbourne from Nelson (1881 aboard the Te Anau), before he became involved in theatre.

I'm afraid this is the limit of my knowledge on Philip Henry, except what is listed on other sites regarding his birth, and his father and grandfather, the 2 Isaacs. I only discovered the above when spending time in Melbourne a few years ago.

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Australia / Re: Philip Henry AYDON
« on: Thursday 30 May 13 01:46 BST (UK)  »
Continuing P. H. Aydon:
He appealed to the Victorian Parliament (Parliamentary Debates Vol. 67, 1991, pages 1821-4) because his name had been omitted from the list of permanent employees of the Hobson Bays Railway Co. when it was taken over by the Victorian government in 1878. It appears that it may have affected his retirement - perhaps a pension - in some way. He would have been aged around 65 by then. Interestingly he (called Henry Aydon here) was described as follows- 'He was one of these mild-tempered Englishmen who were not aggressive enough to assert their rights.' (page 1822).

Other facts listed on his Vict. Railway records - his marital status is given as a widower, and there is another comment St. 20.9.65? - perhaps a reference to when he began working for the Hobson Bay Rail. Co.
He must have been working for them when Agnes died in 1875 because it shows her husband, Philip Henry Aydon, as living in Sandridge then (a terminus of the Hobson Bay Rail. Co.). There is no suggestion on her death cert. that she ever remarried, or presumably P.H. either unless his second wife had died also).

Henry/Philip (seems to have used both names at different times) and Agnes were married in Eagle Hawk Gully on the outskirts of modern Bendigo - a major goldfield in 1853. I visited there a few years ago - the bottom of the gully is now a park. Archibald was born in Ballarat, and Frederick in Acoca, so the family must have moved from one Victorian goldfield to the next during the 1850s.

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Australia / Re: Philip Henry AYDON
« on: Tuesday 28 May 13 11:01 BST (UK)  »
Philip Henry Aydon was employed as a tally clerk in Dept 192 of the Victorian Railways from 1 July 1878 until he resigned on 30 April 1891. He had previously been employed by the Hobson Bay Railways - he appealed to the Victorian Parliament sometime during his employment there (don't have the date to hand). His son, Frederick, was also employed by Victorian Railways.
When Agnes died in Nelson her husband's address was give as Sandridge, the old name for Port Melbourne. I have never been able to find a death certificate for Philip Henry - he was my great great grandfather.

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