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Sue & Judith .... thanks to you both for continuing with your input. I've had a weekend catching up with family - very important during these strange Covid times.

I had seen the 1924 Funeral notice, but not the 1928 & 1936 In Memoriam notices. It seems I need to do a bit more work on my Sketchley searches in Trove. Thank you, Sue, for drawing these to my attention. I agree with your thinking that at the very least then family knew that Daisy was still alive in 1928 & 1936.

FYI - We are currently working our way through two of Daisy's siblings, Amelia and James to try and ascertain and make contact with any living descendants (we understand that Lily did not marry). In addition, Owen Roberts had three children from his second relationship Margaret (Madge) Ryan - she was the 'other woman' in the Divorce - who also bought one child to the relationship, and we are also working through that line. There has been some success connecting with a descendant from the latter, but this has not provided any additional info about Daisy. It seems that not long after the divorce Daisy became estranged from the family. So it is useful to know that in 1936, while Daisy was now in Sydney (according to AER records), she was at least still in the family's thoughts.

Many thanks, again, for all your input. It is really valued.

... Sel

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“Back to post 1 re the divorce
Was it on grounds of adultery ?
Does your friend suspect they may have half cousins somewhere ?
Have they done DNA?”
- My understanding is that “misconduct” was the legal inference of adultery. Owen did not defend the petition.
- Yes. There are half-cousins and contact is being made where they are still alive.
- No. DNA not undertaken ... yet. I think it’s being considered.

Thanks for your contributions, Sue. The Forum has greatly assisted in moving the FH journey forward.
...... Sel

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Small amendment to send last para of my last post:
"..... they are jointly involved in petty primal activities. I want to pursue this a bit further."

Sorry ..... this should read 'criminal' not 'primal'. My bad!!

... Sel

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Whew!! This topic has taken on a life of its own, and we (me, together with my good friend who I'm doing this research for) are a little overwhelmed, but so very grateful, for all the contributions. There is much to dissect here and all the observations and suggestions will take some time to follow through. With any family history research endeavour, when we get some answers, there are often more questions.
However, I think there are a few key things we have to focus on here:
- Daisy's death record states she was 'Known as Peggy Lamerto", so it would be important if we can find some additional supporting records linking Daisy to the Lamerto name.
- There is a lot of info on Victor Lamerto (La Merto etc), and his activities in the late 1930s may provide us with something.
- Daisy's AER records in 1936 & 1937 show her recorded under her own name - Daisy Veronica Roberts.
- The detail in Daisy's death record is pretty comprehensive. A fresh approach, with clear eyes to this document will be undertaken.
- A puzzle pointed out by a few of you wonderful contributors, is the connection/marriage/relationship between Victor and Elsa. Elsa arrived in Australia in 1919 under the name of Elsa Voney La Merto. Then in 1940 (not long after Daisy's death), and now as Elsa Yvonne Watson, she marries Victor. In 1942, they are jointly involved in petty primal activities. I want to pursue this a bit further.

So ..... there is much to do. But the search will continue. And many thanks, again to all who have contributed to this journey.

..... Sel

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Thank you, thank you Sue for all this info. Your research skills are a notch or two above mine!
Lamerto / La Merto / Januschevsky ..... all records seem to point to the same person. I just need to timeline all  the data uncovered to get a clearer picture.
And yes ... still no direct connection with Daisy.
Very grateful for the effort you have go to.
.... Sel

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Update:
FYI - I've found a record for Victor Francis Januschevsky in the National Archives. Item barcode - 65473452; Series Number - MT269/1.
With Melbourne in Lockdown, the NAA office in that city its closed until further notice, and are unable to provide digital copies at the present time.
However, the item details on the website state his nationality is Russian; Date of birth - 9 Feb 1895; and was first registered (under the Aliens Registrations Act) at Claremont (Western Australia).
Slowly .....slowly ....
Cheers ... Sel

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To wivenhoe:
"Email the cemetery and ask if there is another burial in this plot....and anything in their records about this burial  eg. contact for account....who paid.....is there a headstone....any note of LAMERTO name...."
- Thanks. I've already done this. Will post here if/when I receive a response.
Cheers ... Sel

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To Mckha489:
"Have you seen the photograph in the police gazette on Ancestry?"
- Thanks for the info. Yes, I've been trawling through the Ancestry police gazette hints. Some good info. It looks like Mr Lamerto was a petty criminal for quite a number of years before he was arrested for the White murder ... with the charge subsequently being dismissed.

To brigidmac:
"Try looking for a naturalization document for him ....all sorts of information on them ..sometimes photos".
- Thanks, appreciate the tip and I'll follow that up. Bases on the newspaper and police gazette reports, it seems unlikely that he would have passes any character test. But, I'll explore that angle nevertheless.
Cheers.  ..... Sel

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Hi brigidmac..... great progress with the help of fellow Forum members.
Newspaper and police reports indicate he was a Russian national, who arrived in Australia in 1913.
Importantly, we have NOT YET established any link between him and Daisy. This is now the focus of our further research.
Thanks .... Sel

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