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Kent / Re: Frederick elphick
« on: Tuesday 17 March 15 18:14 GMT (UK) »
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Kent / Re: Frederick elphick
« on: Tuesday 17 March 15 02:40 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Annette,
When I try to get into the census forms (which you obviously can) ancestry.com just gives me electoral records. Even when I go to the "Card Index" it still doesn't let me into census (I don't know why but this has happened before). Is there any where else I can access the census records - I am also a paid member of FindMyPast!
When I try to get into the census forms (which you obviously can) ancestry.com just gives me electoral records. Even when I go to the "Card Index" it still doesn't let me into census (I don't know why but this has happened before). Is there any where else I can access the census records - I am also a paid member of FindMyPast!
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Kent / Re: Frederick elphick
« on: Tuesday 17 March 15 01:22 GMT (UK) »
Hi Annette,
I am actually trying to go forward from the 1866 birth. I was curious about his wife, seeing two names were given (Shaw & Waters) and now it's bugging me! Just shows one should not stray of the main lineage!
Frederick is a son of Edgar and Harriett Elphick (Nee: Denton) and is an offshoot.
Harriett Denton also married John Henry Large who gave birth to my maternal Grandmother, Hettie Ella Large ( she married William John Brennan) hence my Mother Olive Irene Brennan.
She of course married my Father Albion Holmes.
Unfortunately, I have just ordered the Birth and marriage certificate for Frederick. At least it should confirm his parents....not sure about the marriage, as you have pointed out.
If I hadn't spent the money on the certs, I probably would've bought a bottle of plonk (lol)!
I will keep you posted! Cheers for now........John
I am actually trying to go forward from the 1866 birth. I was curious about his wife, seeing two names were given (Shaw & Waters) and now it's bugging me! Just shows one should not stray of the main lineage!
Frederick is a son of Edgar and Harriett Elphick (Nee: Denton) and is an offshoot.
Harriett Denton also married John Henry Large who gave birth to my maternal Grandmother, Hettie Ella Large ( she married William John Brennan) hence my Mother Olive Irene Brennan.
She of course married my Father Albion Holmes.
Unfortunately, I have just ordered the Birth and marriage certificate for Frederick. At least it should confirm his parents....not sure about the marriage, as you have pointed out.
If I hadn't spent the money on the certs, I probably would've bought a bottle of plonk (lol)!
I will keep you posted! Cheers for now........John
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Kent / Re: Frederick elphick
« on: Monday 16 March 15 23:02 GMT (UK) »
Sorry Annette the soldier's date was 1914, not 1941. I will apply for his birth certificate and also his 1882 marriage cert to see if that will clear anything up. I will follow up on your great information as well.
Thanks again, I'll keep you posted, but as I said it takes a few weeks to receive certificates from the UKGRO from Australia.
Thanks again, I'll keep you posted, but as I said it takes a few weeks to receive certificates from the UKGRO from Australia.
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Kent / Re: Frederick elphick
« on: Monday 16 March 15 19:19 GMT (UK) »
The problem is that the Ancestry.com marriage certificate registration gives his wife's name as either Louisa WATERS or Emily SHAW.
List of census & Documentation I have:
1866 - Birth at Hildenborough, Kent, England (2nd Quart/Tonbridge/Vol: 2a/Page: 485)
1866 - Baptism (5 Aug) Hildenborough, Kent. Parents: Edgar & Harriet Elphick.
1871 - Son: 4 years old - Parents: Edgar Elphick, Harriett Denton
1881 - Nephew: 14 yrs - Staying with John & Ann Moseley (In Lydd, Kent)
1882 - Marriage: 15 yrs - To either Louisa Waters or Emily Shaw
1891 - Lodger: 24 Yrs (Born: 1867, Tonbridge, Kent) - With S. & N. Barton. This may not be him!
1941 - Soldier: 44 yrs - Uckfield, Sussex: Royal Sussex Rgt. S/No: GSSRR570 (Army Reserve)
Nothing after that.
List of census & Documentation I have:
1866 - Birth at Hildenborough, Kent, England (2nd Quart/Tonbridge/Vol: 2a/Page: 485)
1866 - Baptism (5 Aug) Hildenborough, Kent. Parents: Edgar & Harriet Elphick.
1871 - Son: 4 years old - Parents: Edgar Elphick, Harriett Denton
1881 - Nephew: 14 yrs - Staying with John & Ann Moseley (In Lydd, Kent)
1882 - Marriage: 15 yrs - To either Louisa Waters or Emily Shaw
1891 - Lodger: 24 Yrs (Born: 1867, Tonbridge, Kent) - With S. & N. Barton. This may not be him!
1941 - Soldier: 44 yrs - Uckfield, Sussex: Royal Sussex Rgt. S/No: GSSRR570 (Army Reserve)
Nothing after that.
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Kent / Re: Frederick elphick
« on: Monday 16 March 15 07:58 GMT (UK) »
Thanks people.........Of course women couldn't vote then (I forgot that!)
The 1891 census that Kay posted was indeed the other Frederick Elphick.
The 1891 census showing that he was a boarder I think is the right one, but one wonders what happened between his marriage in 1882, to that date? I am still chasing.
I will order the marriage certificate, but it takes weeks to receive it in Australia. I just thought someone might have information.
When I receive the certificate (that will name his wife) I will post the results.
Cheers....John
The 1891 census that Kay posted was indeed the other Frederick Elphick.
The 1891 census showing that he was a boarder I think is the right one, but one wonders what happened between his marriage in 1882, to that date? I am still chasing.
I will order the marriage certificate, but it takes weeks to receive it in Australia. I just thought someone might have information.
When I receive the certificate (that will name his wife) I will post the results.
Cheers....John
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Kent / Re: Frederick elphick
« on: Monday 16 March 15 06:15 GMT (UK) »
The Frederick Elphick in the 1891 census is indeed "my" Frederick. I also have his marriage details (as above) and he would've been 16 years old when he married. I haven't sent for his marriage certificate yet, and therefore do not know whether his wife was Louisa Waters, or Emily Shaw.
His Father was Edgar Elphick and his Mother Harriett (Nee: Denton)
I also found by the Electoral Records that about that time he was a lodger in a house owned by Louisa Waters, but there was no record of her in that Roll?
?
Bit of a mystery
Cheers for now.....John
His Father was Edgar Elphick and his Mother Harriett (Nee: Denton)
I also found by the Electoral Records that about that time he was a lodger in a house owned by Louisa Waters, but there was no record of her in that Roll?
?Bit of a mystery
Cheers for now.....John
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Kent / Frederick elphick
« on: Monday 16 March 15 05:11 GMT (UK) »
I am looking for any information on the 1882 marriage of Frederick Elphick (Born: 1866 - Hildenborough).
The marriage was in Tunbridge Wells, and the info is: 1882/3rd Quarter/District: Tunbridge Wells/County: Kent/Country: England/Volume:2a/Page: 1001
His spouse has 2 potential names. 1) Emily Shaw. 2) Louisa Waters.
Any information on this marriage would be welcome.
The marriage was in Tunbridge Wells, and the info is: 1882/3rd Quarter/District: Tunbridge Wells/County: Kent/Country: England/Volume:2a/Page: 1001
His spouse has 2 potential names. 1) Emily Shaw. 2) Louisa Waters.
Any information on this marriage would be welcome.