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Hi everyone. I have just realised a coincidence which has no bearing on the subject in hand . From Mabel Bagshawe's researches I note that Mary Elizabeth was an organist at Ebeneser Wesleyan chapel. My Grandparents retired back to Snowdon Street, Porthmadog in the early 1950's. My Nain Jennie Jones nee Thomas was also an organist at at the same chapel.

Glyn

Good and Bad news. Capt David Roberts appears in the Welsh Mariner's Index
 ROBERTS    David   born Porthmadog    1873   Cert No. CC30960        Capacities    2e95 1e98      Kew Ref. 139/16

With this information I expected it to be fairly straightforward to find the his 2nd engineer certificate obtained in 1895 and his 1st engineer certificate obtained in 1898 in Ancestry's All UK and Ireland, Masters and Mates Certificates 1850-1927. Maybe Ancestry don't carry Engineers Certificates.

Glyn
 

A possible break through. I have found this record of a marriage between a William Jones and Ellinor Thomas in Llanrwst Parish Church 10/12/1788.

Banns of Marriage between William Jones & Ellinor Thomas were legally published in this Church
William Jones of the Parish of CerrigyDruidian Bachelor and Ellinor Thomas of this Parish Spinster
Were married in this Church by Banns this Tenth day of December in the Year One Thousand severn hundred & eighty eight by me Thomas Davies Curate
In the presence of David Jones/ William Roberts
Note. Ellinor’s surname was written as Williams which was struck out and replaced with Thomas.
Although Llanrwst is in the adjoining county of Denbighshire it later became the administrative center for records such as the Census for Penmachno.
Glyn

I know very little about Henry. There is a record for his son’s baptism John Jones, my 2x Grandfather in Penmachno.
16/11/1798 John son of William Jones Weaver and Ellinor
The only other information I can find is that there is a gravestone for Elinor in St Tudclud’s church Penmachno.
Er cof am Ellinor, gwraig Wm. Jones Weaver, Llan a fu farw Mai 19 1842 oed 84.
Elinor wife of William Jones Weaver died 19 May 1842 aged 84. She lived in Llan which in this case I take to be the village of Penmmachno surrounding the church.
The following could have no bearing but I include it just in case- Googling “William Jones Weaver” provides a link to “Pattern book of William Jones weaver, from Holt, 1775-1782”
I have been unable to find Elinor in the 1841 Census but would be grateful for any help.
Glyn

My gateway was when I traced two descendant lines from Owen Humphrey, (grandfather of the renowned harpist and composer Dafydd y Garreg Wen) to my two grandmothers. Owen is recorded in Y Gestiana as being alive in 1693.
The paternal line is via Owen’s son Humphrey Owen who married Gwen daughter of Robert Dafydd, Isalllt. Robert was the son of Dafydd Vaughan, Glasfryn who can be found in both Griffith’s Pedigrees and Professor T. Ceiri Griffith’s Achau. His lineage is well documented and can be traced back to Owain Gwynedd and beyond.
The maternal line is via Owen Humphrey’s daughter Ann Owen who married John Griffith of Tu hwnt I’r Bwlch. Fortunately, their great-grandson, Ellis Owen, Cefnmeusydd was, among many other things, a genealogist who wrote a short summary of the family tree. Since this went back to the 1500’s it was easy to tie it in with P. C, Bartrum’s work. The trail this time did not lead to O. G. but via the Lords of Nannau and beyond to the Welsh tribes. I decided to stop when I reached Roman Emperor Magnus Maximus (Macsen Wledig from the Mabinogian)(335-388). When using Bartrum one has to believe in the accuracy of the Pedigrees he studied and also suspend any disbelief in the Welsh myths and legends.

Glyn