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Hi all, Happy year everyone - I hope 2024 is a fantastic year for you all!

A quick (I think) question... I want to identify who was living on a specific street in PETONE Wgton in the 1950's.  Is it possible to access that?

Thanks in advance as always.
Regards, Carol

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New Zealand / Re: How to use the new Archives NZ Collections Search
« on: Wednesday 28 June 23 22:03 BST (UK)  »
I also just tried that link from Spades and got the same error msge.



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AAAAW Lu!!!!!  I don't know whether to cry, or clap :'( :'( :-\ :)

How on earth did you unravel all that tangle of threads?  I was looking around the Wgton area and within a year or two of his Wgton Prison incarceration --- assuming, he was in such rough shape he wouldn't have lasted much longer and was staying "close to home in his final years".  I underestimated Tim's resilience once again.

I would never have even recognized the issue with the Regimental numbers - that's some seriously diligent and dedicated investigative work.  WELL DONE AND OUR FAMILY IS (and will for future generations be) GRATEFUL TO YOU:)

To be honest, I am a bit shocked Tim lasted into his 60's.  I mean he joined the war in his 30's and look at that 30 year "journey" he had.  To end up homeless, in a gully in a different city, is a very sad conclusion to a very challenging and colourful life.

I checked the place of death "Grafton Gully"...it seems like a bit of a wilderness area and a place where the homeless would set up:

From Wiki:
"Grafton Gully is a deep (about 50 m) and very wide (about 100 m) gully running northwards towards the sea through the volcanic hills of the Auckland volcanic field in New Zealand. It divides the CBD from the suburbs of Grafton and Parnell in the east.

History
The Grafton Gully was formerly home to the Waipārūrū Stream, known to early European settlers as the Graveyard Spring.[1]"

I was however, heartened to see that when he was buried his military service was recognized.  He, at least, deserves that.

I will go through your links and download everything I can so his life's struggles and very unusual journey will be recorded for him; so he won't just be some barely known, elderly, homeless drunk found in a gully. 

I need a stiff drink, thanks again Lu!!!


 


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Ah yes, I see the dilemma.  I think the fact she wasn't listed on Johanna's will might well be another factor to support your theory (as opposed to her having died before Johanna wrote her will).

Also I thought they may have been twins.. but obviously not if the dates are different!

I'm heading out for pizza and beer on a very hot night.  I will do a deep dive into the family records to see what I find on my side of it.

THANKS:)

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Oh that's interesting.  For some reason I don't have Johanna's will, only Daniel's.  Thanks!

Re Tim... I don't know how to let you down easily:

But I can't find any likely records for his death in anything like a likely timeframe under the name Timothy.  As usual there's lots of Patrick's which I'll have to wade though. 

It's highly unlikely he would have gone back to Aussie, unless he was able to beat his addiction in jail.

If he died in prison, would he have been buried in a prison graveyard? Or transferred out to somewhere like Karori Cemetery (no record of him there).

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They'd record his death under his birth name right?

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This is what I have...just not sure of a couple of their marriage details which I have been working on.

One of the daughter's mother's name is spelled incorrectly which may be an issue.  But I know she existed and was the oldest (Annie)

Murphy   
Annie 1879/5808   Johannah   Daniel    (The mother's name should be Johanna)
Johanna Ellen 1887-1955 1887/1526
Florence “Florie” 1888-1962  1889/17900   tbc
Catherine Mary Josephine 1883-1936    1883/694
Margaret Agnes 1892-1975  1892/10285

Catherine Mary would have died by 1938...

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Lu, as far as I know there were 5 sister's and they are all accounted for in NZ

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Thanks Jo! 

I am very happy to have put Tim back into the family history... despite his struggles, he deserves to be there and, hopefully, viewed with empathy:)

Lu - I don't know, but give me a bit to run a check on the sister's.


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