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Carmarthenshire / Jones, Morgan, Phillips, c. 1790
« on: Wednesday 01 July 20 19:50 BST (UK)  »
I am searching for information on David Jones, Sarah Morgan and William Phillips, which I understand are among the most common names in Wales.
 
My clue to start in Carmarthen is that George Westinghouse Jones, first cousin of the famous American inventor George Westinghouse, named his home in Schenectady, New York, "Caermarthen" in honour of the ancestry of his second wife, Sarah Phillips, and himself, since his grandparents and Sarah's great grandparents were the same:
David Jones, b. 1792 and Sarah Morgan, b. 1794.

Their eldest child, William Morgan Jones, was born in 1821 in New York, so it's logical to assume that David and Sarah married and emigrated from Wales sometime around 1810-1820. Their other children's names were Jonah, David M., Margaret and Sarah R.

The only other clue I have to their identity is that Sarah Morgan's mother was named Margaret, b. 1768. In 1850 she was living with her daughter and son-in-law in New York.

Sarah Phillips' great grandfather, William Phillips, was born somewhere in Wales in 1789. He spent several decades working as a linen merchant near Belfast before immigrating to Canada in 1847.

I don't know where to start, so I'd be grateful for any help with my quest.

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Cedar Creek is a very small cemetery near Ayr, Ontario, so the list of names is short. I did not see any burial date before 1834, though I did see some well into the late 20th century, so perhaps it is still an active site. It would not be surprising that Robert Marshall was the first one buried there because the first settler arrived in the area in 1822 and the next in 1824. It wasn't until the 1830s and '40s that others, mostly Scottish immigrants, came in any numbers. You can read more about the early history of Ayr here: http://www.waterlooregionmuseum.com/collections-and-research/place-names-in-waterloo-region/north-dumfries-township/ayr/

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Roxburghshire / Re: Anderson + Elliott solved
« on: Monday 12 January 15 18:33 GMT (UK)  »
I finally discovered the grave of Robert Marshall in Cedar Creek Cemetery in North Dumfries, Waterloo County, Ontario. It is possible that he was the first person buried there in 1834, shortly after immigrating to the area (listed as #1 by the Ontario Genealogical Society in Cedar Creek's list). Buried next to him was "Jane, wife of Robert Anderson". She died in 1854. Robert Anderson was also buried in the cemetery, but records were lost due to a fire. He died in 1879 and his gravestone is missing. But suddenly it made sense. Jane Elliott, widow of Robert Marshall, married Robert Anderson, and he buried her next to her first husband. Their granddaughter was named Jane, and their grandson was John Elliott. Jane's Marshall children and her Anderson children were half-brothers and -sisters, which is why the various Anderson/Marshall children called themselves cousins.

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Thanks for the welcome -- and so quick, too! And thanks for the clarification of Jessie/Janet. I knew about Jane/Jean.

I have been in touch with the poster of the info you linked to in WikiTree, as she and I are related through Robert's parents. "Margaret Elliott" is just as guess as to the name of his wife. In my post I mentioned all I know about the inclusion of the Elliott name (as middle names of children/grandchildren). Unfortunately, James Andrew's son did not know his grandmother's name when he registered his father's death in Ontario in 1934, and John A. R. died in Alberta in 1920, where a mother's name was not required on a death certificate. As I said -- stuck.

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I’m stuck! I have circumstantial evidence that my ggg grandfather Robert Anderson (1805-1879) married an Elliott, but the 1851 census in their area (North Dumfries, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada) no longer exists, and he was a widower by 1861. The cemetery where she might have been buried only lists first names and married names, and a baptismal record for one of their sons only states the baby’s name. I’m hoping that someone in the area of Hawick will have access to marriage records and can help me discover the name of my ggg grandmother.

Here’s what I have documented through censuses and personal letters from William, Alexander and Hannah’s son, Thomas Johnstone:

Father: William Anderson (1765 – 1843-04-01)
Mother: Jane Armstrong (1775 - ?)

Children:
Robert (1805 – 1879-05-24)
Alexander (1807 – 1861)
Hannah (1816 - ?)
Adam (1810 – 1860-05-00)

I suspect that other siblings, possibly James, William, John and George immigrated to Canada with Robert in 1834.

Here’s the circumstantial evidence regarding Robert’s wife being an Elliott:
  • Robert’s son James named his first daughter Mabel Elliott.
  • Robert’s second son John named his son John Elliott.
  • Son John’s daughter Jane (aka Jenny) named her second son Kenneth Elliott.
  • Jenny and Fanny Eaglesham always called themselves cousins, and Fanny’s grandmother was Jane Elliott.
  • Those Elliott siblings who emigrated* settled near Robert Anderson.

I suspect that Robert’s wife was a sister of Jane Elliott, perhaps Helen or Margaret, and possibly Jessie Janet. Here’s what I have on the Elliott’s who were from Stanishwater, Westerkirk Parish, Dumfriesshire, Scotland:

Mother: William Elliott (1779-07-31 – 1855-07-10)
Mother: Jane Jardine (1781 – 1859-05-24)

Children:
John (1803-05-18 - ?)
Henry (1803 – 1803)
Jane* (1805-10-24 – 1854) m. Robert Marshall
Henry* (1807-11-18 – 1894-01-26)
Andrew* (1809-04-03 – 1896-04-28)
Robert Laidlaw* (1810-10-17 - ?)
Helen (1812-03-04 - ?)
Margaret (1813-09-13 - ?)
Isabella (1815-09-11 - ?) m. Robert Grieve
Agnes (1818-03-02 - ?) m. Adam Grieve
Jessie Janet (1820-01-28 - ?)
Mary (1823 – 1824-07-30) d. Scotland


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