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Midlothian / Re: Constance Muriel Steell
« on: Wednesday 25 May 16 19:09 BST (UK)  »
I have to hang my head in shame, due to my medical condition affecting my concentration I did not check for a STEELL when I found her name on Scottish War Mermorials forum. It appears I already had her in my records so here is a more accurate profile of Constance Muriel Steell :-

Constance Muriel Steell was born 1888 *** in Florida U.S.A. to British parents Edwin Landseer Steell and Lylie L Steel, born 1869 in Berlin , Germany. Her parents were on holiday in the U.S.A.

The 1891 census records Constance, age 3 years, *** was living with her grandfather, Gourlay Steell aged 72, an animal painter, at 2 Palmerstone Place, Edinburgh with her mother and aunt Jessie G. Steell and the 1901 census records Constance living with her parents at Hawthorn Vale, Kinross, Scotland.

No further useful information was found on the web and a letter to the G.R.O. to ascertain if Constance’s name appeared in the British Colonial Birth Register went unanswered***.

I did manage to obtain her Death Certificate that records she died from Cerebro Spinal Meningitis on 20th March 1917 whilst serving as a hospital nurse at Bradford War Hospital, Horton, Her death was registered by her father of Ardenlea, Juniper Green, Edinburgh and her age quoted as 26 ***

The British Red Cross responded to my request concerning her nursing status by advising me that they had searched all their records and found no record of a Constance Muriel Steell***. However, Constance is commemorated on the Colington Parish War Memorial and the Roll of Honour in Juniper Parish Church, Edinburgh as a V.A.D. and her grave memorial has a large Red Cross impression on its surface

Constance is buried in Colington Parish Churchyard, Edinburgh her headstone quotes age as 29

*** It would appear that the age, 26, on the Death Certificate is incorrect and possibly an error in her non inclusion in British Red Cross records. If Constance’s birth was not registered in the USA British Colonial Birth Register she would in fact have been an American citizen..

Forgive my error.

Tony

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Midlothian / Re: Constance Muriel Steell
« on: Sunday 22 May 16 16:46 BST (UK)  »
Despite my own physical and concentration problems and not a great deal of assistance from Constance I felt it time I brought this thread to an end, so this is my profile for Constance.

Constance Muriel Steell was born 1888 *** in Florida U.S.A. to British parents Edwin Landseer Steell and Lylie L Steel, born 1869 in Berlin , Germany. Her parents wree on holiday in the U.S.A.

The 1891 census records Constance, age 3 years, *** was living with her grandfather, Gourlay Steell aged 72, an animal painter, at 2 Palmeaston Place, Edinburgh with her mother and aunt Jessie G. Steell and the 1901 census records Constance living with her parents at Hawthorn Vale, Kinross, Scotland.

No further useful information was found on the web and a letter to the G.R.O. to ascertain if Constance’s name appeared on the British Colonial Birth Register went unanswered.

I did manage to obtain her Death Certificate that records she died, on duty, on 20th March 1917 at Bradford War Hospital, Horton, as a Hospital Nurse, from Cerebro Spinal Meningitis. Her death was registered by her father of Ardenlea, Juniper Green, Edinburgh and her age quoted as 26 ***

The British Red Cross responded to my request concerning her nursing status by advising me that they had searched all their records for V.A.Ds, VAD casualties, First World War cards for trained nurses and personnel in military hospitals and found no record of Constance so it is assumed that she was in fact a trainee nurse.

Constance is buried in Colington Parish Churchyard, Edinburgh her headstone quotes age as 29.

*** It would appear that the age,26, on the Death Certificate is incorrect

Thanks all for your assistance.

Regards,

Tony.

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Midlothian / Re: Constance Muriel Steell
« on: Thursday 14 April 16 15:49 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Monica & Rosie for your efforts. I have sent a request to the G.R.O. to see if Constance is on the British Consul Register so far no response. If I get a 'No' answer I will then try the American Embassy in London.

My concentration is now virtually nil as I have now developed a bone growth in the base of my left foo and an absess and have been referred to the Podiatry Clinic God knows how long that will be so I am going to suggest to my GP that I am prepared to go Private. See what result that will have.

Tony

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Midlothian / Re: Constance Muriel Steell
« on: Wednesday 13 April 16 16:12 BST (UK)  »
Forgive me Une but if Daddy didn't know how old his daughter was when she died who did? After all he must have given the details to the Registrar. I can only quote what I see as reasonable.

I am making an attempt to obtain a Birth Certificate that is an even more difficult process especially for my physical condition. By a miracle I may obtain a B.C,

Tony

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Midlothian / Re: Constance Muriel Steell
« on: Wednesday 13 April 16 11:38 BST (UK)  »
Well! I have Constance’s Death Certificate and is quoted as age 26 making her birth year 1891, her death was registered by her Father, Edwin L.J. Steell; who , I am sure, would have been aware of her age? Her cause of death was “Cerebro Spinal Meningitis”.

I am still confused regarding her birth year and I come back to the reference in the 1891 census of her age of 3 years. The 1891 census was conducted on Sunday 5 April that could suggest that she was born in January 1891 and her age would have been “3 Months” when he census was taken ????

You are doing well Rosie;  an orange tree planter in Florida, where Constance was born. I am awaiting a reply from GRO regarding where I could obtain a Birth Certificate; I understand that unless it was registered with the British Consulate it is going to be difficult we will have to see!

My life is so slow now that I have to find time to look after my unfortunate ladies.

Tony

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Midlothian / Re: Constance Muriel Steell
« on: Monday 11 April 16 22:14 BST (UK)  »
Monica

It would appear that, for some reason, the census's got it wrong or the information given on the census returns was wrong. You will see from a previous post that the GRO phoned me this morning to say that the Death Certificate they have she is quoted as 26 when she died; so there has been some confusion whil she was alive or some confusion regarding her death age. The D.C, might give a clue when I get it.

Tony

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Midlothian / Re: Constance Muriel Steell
« on: Monday 11 April 16 13:28 BST (UK)  »
Rosie & Une

Sorry for delay but having a difficult time and waiting for possible surgery on right foot. However; no Rosie I am not a relative she is one of my 4000+ unfortunate ladies I am now struggling to look after. My initial project was to get a photo of their graves knowing that someone had visited them but now try to get more personal details.

 However just applied for a Death Certificate and got a phone call this morning from the GRO as I quoted her age as 29 and the lady said that she has a D.C. with an age of 26, however Rosie way back you quoted an entry on the 1891 census that Constance was quoted as 3 years old suggesting that she was born in 1888 making her age in 1917 as 29. However I wonder if she should have been quoted in the census as 3 months old that would have made her 26 in 1917; anyway I have accepted the D.C. which she is posting tomorrow. All the other details on the D.C. Appear to agree with all our other info.

Am also awaiting a response from the B.R.C. to ascertain if she was a V.A.D.

Will be in touch later.

Tony

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Midlothian / Re: Constance Muriel Steell
« on: Tuesday 05 April 16 10:55 BST (UK)  »
Thanks all for your interest. Sorry for delay with response but have a rheumatoid problem that is currently requiring medical attention and is seriously affecting my concentration so at the moment unable to go any further. However, the following , from your posts, appears to be the most appropriate but let me know what you think!

The 1891 Census quotes Constance Muriel Steell as living with her grandfather, Gourlay Steell, age 72 at 2 Palmerton Place, Edinburgh age 3 years suggesting a birth year of 1888 and born in the U.S.A. Also resident is her mother Eliza Steell age 31 born Germany and her aunt Jessie G. Steell age 30.

There also appears to be a record of an E .L .J .Steell, Scottish farmer travelling with Mrs. Steell to New York in 1886; appears to fit in with the dates above and Constance’s birth year.

The 1901 Census lists the family living; I assume their own residence, at Hawthorn Vale, Kinross.
Edwin Landseer John Steell age 38 a retired farmer (a bit young but that’s what it says)
Lylie L. Steell age 41 British subject born Berlin, Germany.
Constance M. Steell age 13 British subject born Florida U.S.A,

The 1911 Census quotes – Residence Belmont Road, “Ardenlea” Parish of Juniper Green Civil Parish Colington,  Edwin L.J. Steel age 47. Manufacturers (Tobacco) Agent. Eliza L. Steell age 47 (I think that is a typo error, should be 51). Constance M. Daughter age 23. (Would make her 29 at death.

Constance died on duty at Bradford War Hospital 29th March 1917 and is buried in Colinton Parish Churchyard, Edinburgh.

Tony

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Midlothian / Constance Muriel Steell
« on: Saturday 02 April 16 12:42 BST (UK)  »
Re Constance Muriel Steell, Is there the remote possibility that anyone may have any details of this lady? I trust that I have identified the correct County?

The only information I have is that she was a Nurse (possibly a V.A.D.) who died on duty 20th March 1917 serving at Bradford War Hospital. . She is buried in Colinton Parish Churchyard, Edinburgh, suggesting that this was her hometown.

Grateful for any assistance.

Tony

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