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OK, Egypt. Will now get motivated and organise the material. Will PM you when I've done it. Might take me a week perhaps to slot it in alongside everything else?? Will get back to you.

Edwina

On the 'Tipperary Resources' page I clicked the links to Pigot's Directory 1824 and Slater's Directory 1842, while researching my own ancestors.

The links take you to a page where you can choose 'Munster' and then the pages for Clonmel.

I was not looking for your man, but I did notice there were headings for distillers and for wine and spirit merchants. Just thought it might be worth you having a look in these trade directories or any others you can find.

Edwina

researching HANRAHAN
SHINE
McGRATH
in Clonmel

Hello again!

Hello Lloyd  . You know a lot about your family. Deb is right about asking the questions while people are still alive. It is my husband who has the connection to the WHITTLE family, but it is a long way back. I have been trying to find out whether his canal boatman ancestor was the father of George Alfred WHITTLE who married Lavinia SMITH.

I now have the marriage certificate of William GRAFTON and Mary Ann WHITTLE for December 26th 1886. They were the witnesses at George Alfred and Lavinia's wedding. Mary Ann WHITTLE's father was:

George WHITTLE - Barge carter.

This occupation seems to me like the missing link among all the other certificates I have collected. Sometimes old George is called a boatman, sometimes a carrier, sometimes a carter, and now a barge carter. It must be the same George every time, I think. So Mary Ann was the sister of George Alfred. And Mabel Alice WHITTLE, my husband's grandmother, must have been their sister. 

Sheldon WHITTLE has an excellent family tree showing the descendants of George and Lavinia. Perhaps worth seeing if you can get a copy??

No one in my husband's family has any fairground or travelling connections. When my mother-in-law said she used to go and stay with relations who kept a fairground, we did not know where it was, but now we have learned so much about the WHITTLE & SMITH fair. Thank you all!

I do not seem to have time to write up all this information properly, but some time in the next few months I will definitely do so. I shall put the information I now have that goes back to Worcester in 1816 and beyond in with my husband's family and Sheldon's tree, so we can see how it all fits together. But I shall try not to include living people. Will get back here again when I have done this. Don't be surprised if Christmas comes and goes before I get my act together  Writing up is the boring bit.

Best wishes,

Edwina

You have been busy, Deb!

I think I agree with you about Mary: Births June 1841 HARROWAY Mary Ann   Uxbridge 3 304
Also about the Susan WOODCOCK birth - had not got as far as thinking of that one!
Also think this one is right: Emma Harroway June 1843 Uxbridge 
vol 5 p 327

Well done finding them on the 1861 census. I admit they had nutty ways of spelling their name, but basically they stayed in the same place, which has been a great help. Imagine if they had moved around too! 

Yes, perhaps Jane had already been married once, but I think you are being very diplomatic. On my own family tree several of them seem to have thought it wasn't worth getting married unless the relationship had been fully tried and tested beforehand, so the ALLOWAYs may have felt the same way! Strict Victorian morality does not seem to have been as widespread as we are led to believe 

By the 1871 census I suppose the children had gone their separate ways:

1871
Uxbridge, Hillingdon
2 Canal Street
Emma WITTLE head mar 28 Boatman's wife b Hillingdon
Mary ALLOWAY dau 9 ...she nust be Mary Ann/Margaret who married Wm Grafton
Eliza ALLOWAY dau 6
George ALLOWAY 6 ( aka George Whittle)
Hannah WITTLE dau 4months
all born Hillingdon

a few houses away ... Jane Alloway widow, 60 b Uxbridge

Thank you for all this. You are a star.

Edwina