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England / Re: 1852 Prins Hendrik ship collision at sea
« on: Saturday 18 September 21 07:51 BST (UK)  »
Bennick13,
This link from Public Records Office Victoria contains images of the passenger list for the Prins Hendrik, departed Liverpool September 1852 and arrived Port Phillip April 1853
https://prov.vic.gov.au/archive/3402227A-F96C-11E9-AE98-FF6251ADC8F4?image=130

Regards
Rob

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England / Re: 1852 Prins Hendrik ship collision at sea
« on: Tuesday 16 March 21 23:16 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for your reply Rachelle. Ernest John Craig is my gg grandfather also (via his son James Draper Craig). Its good to find another interested relative!

Yes Elwyn has been extremely helpful - nice name for a son.  :)
He helped me with some research on the Craig family farm at Gortree, you may find this info helpful...
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=841630.0

I've done quite a bit of research on Ernest, Sarah and family. You can see some of it here...https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/tree/55802002/family?cfpid=34001589372

I dont have a copy of the Woolley book. Do you know if it exists digitally somewhere?

It might be good for us to connect via email. If you wish to do this please send me either a PM via Rootschat or Ancestry.
Regards Rob


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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Craig - flax farmers in Gortree
« on: Sunday 24 January 21 23:20 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Elwyn for all your help with this research. I followed up and documented all the leads/links you kindly provided. I apologise as I mistakenly thought I had replied to your message however I obviously got side tracked and realise now I overlooked this. Your suggestions were informative and you've taught me techniques for researching this era of Irish ancestry.
For now I feel satisfied with the information I have. I had no idea about the Valuation Revision Records and these were a real help. I now have primary evidence of my ancestors at Gortree and plot 8a particularly. You and aghadowey helped expand the 'perimeter' on this family with relevant BDM records, links to district families and a possible congregation -- this brings the data to life for me. I appreciate your opinions about my unresolved questions and agree about the distinct possibility of more children for Wm and Sarah.
Being in Aus I'm not in a position to visit PRONI and currently unemployed (on the back of COVID) so wont employ a researcher to follow up the gaps - as you say there may be little to find anyway.
I had not considered DNA testing as a way to confirm descendant links - I may consider that down the track.
Thanks again for kindly sharing your expertise and time.

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Craig - flax farmers in Gortree
« on: Sunday 20 December 20 14:12 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you again Elwyn for your assistance.

I purchased some credits and checked the death record for Sarah. I can confirm she died at Gortree, Glendermott on 11.2.1867 (age 60) with William Craig present. Listed as married and occupation as farmers wife. These facts fit with our Sarah.
The link you set for Williams death on 8.2.1887 (age 87) also shows location as Gortree, Glendermot. I noticed there was a Charlotte Craig granddaughter present at the death, so that could be a useful lead however I haven't found her on a census or marriage record yet.

I had not discovered David Craig or Sarah Ann Craig before - so these are useful leads to explore further - thanks again.

William Craig's farm on Griffiths 1858 valuation at Gortree Clondermot and the property described on David Craig's 1901 census certainly appear to be the same property described as house #9 Gortree Clondermot.

I have looked for BDM records relating to the Gortnessy Meeting House to no avail. I did find a Facebook group for the church and there are graveyard photos that I might be able to enquire about.

I agree with you that the CRAIG family is bigger than I was led to believe - or this one is the wrong family. I think the two keys I need to confirm these are my ancestors are either...
1. a primary source linking (Ernest) John CRAIG to these parents. No census or birth cert found yet. John's marriage and death cert mention parents names Wm and Sarah (common) and Londonderry birthplace which is broad. This may be all I'll ever find.
2. something else def linking John to the farm property at house #9 Gortree (other than a family story). I recall someone mentioned a book that once belonged to John with his name and "Gortree" written inside the front cover - I should follow this up to request a scan or photo.

There is an anomoly too. A William Bannatyne Craig who died in Australia in 1858! To me, he doesn't feel like our William but he died at Moolap Victoria where John Craig lived. Might be correct but there's no other clear connection - it feels like someone found him on Ancestry and added him, then others got excited and followed suit. I need to search further to rule him out or in.

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Craig - flax farmers in Gortree
« on: Thursday 17 December 20 12:54 GMT (UK)  »
Thankyou for those suggestions Elwyn. I'll reply to them in order below.
  • I hadnt thought about multiple crops but that makes sense. In Australia John was farming a number of crops with flax being just one of them; others included hay, potatoes, maize and peas.
  • William's farm did not pass to John. John came to Australia in 1850, married in 1863 and died in Aus in 1894 (aged 64). He never returned to Ireland. He was the eldest of 3 children, his two siblings (William Jnr and Susan) came to Aus together in 1858 and also died here. It appears that his parents never left Ireland.
  • I have limited information on John's parents. His father William was born 27.7.1810 (unverified) and I don't know his date of death. His mother is Sarah Semple Brown born 1807 and died at Gortree 11.2.1867. The death notice (see attached) mentions she died at her residence at Gortree and it implies that husband Wm was still alive.
  • William and Sarah's denomination is Presbyterian I think, as John is listed as Presb in the shipping register when he emigrated. I have an AncestryUK subscription and I've searched again just now but still cant find any birth or baptism record for John (or Ernest John as he is sometimes called) via official or parish records. I tried searching via his record and also using the card catalog - no luck either way.
I'll keep hunting. Any further ideas welcomed.

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Derry (Londonderry) / Craig - flax farmers in Gortree
« on: Thursday 17 December 20 05:32 GMT (UK)  »
My gg.grandfather John Craig (18.10.1829-26.7.1894) came to Australia in 1850 and was a successful flax farmer in Victoria, Aus.   John's father William Craig was apparently flax farming at Gortree Ireland and I imagine eldest son John was a great help to him.
Searching Griffiths Valuation, I have found records for William Craig at 2 different Gortree locations with flax mills etc nearby.  My question is which Gortree?
I'm definitely leaning towards number 1 Clondermot because the land size, but I also know that John successfully grew flax in a home garden for test/demo purposes.
Which option would you pick? Other ideas?

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Cork / Re: Ship repairs
« on: Wednesday 09 December 20 07:38 GMT (UK)  »
Thankyou Dathai - that is a great find that fills in some gaps on dates, the ships appearance, name change etc.
GoogleTranslate has done a reasonable job but I might get a dutch friend to translate some parts where the meaning is a bit unclear.

Regards
Rob

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Cork / Re: Ship repairs
« on: Monday 07 December 20 22:40 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Elwyn for all your help and suggestions, I'll send a PM now.

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Cork / Re: Ship repairs
« on: Monday 07 December 20 04:41 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you Elwyn - thats excellent and aligns with some other facts I have (eg: the salt ship reference).
I'm not sure how to access those 3 articles? I have an ancestry.uk account and various other subscriptions. Could you please reply with links to those 3 sources and I'll see if I can access.
In the meantime I'll follow up the info in Slaters. Do you think I should look for shipbuilders located in Passage and Cork (town) - or would they all be in Cove/Queenstown/Cobh?

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