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I wonder if anyone has heard of a house being called Flask House and whether this might be a name for a tavern. The house, owned by a branch owned by my family in Yorkshire, was there in the 17th Century and very possibly earlier. There were a number of generations that were owners of taverns. I have also seen there is a modern but very old (15th C) Kent restaurant called The Bottle House. If this was its ancient title then it might follow that Bottle and Flask helped suggest what business was done there.
Anyone heard of another Flask House? This one was in Yorkshire but there may have been others. Also, the family, called Long or (earlier) Longe. This might also interest similar distant relatives.

Appreciate any replies,
Ray

Hi Everyone,
 I found a very old relative from the eastern Pennines, named Christopher Long, described as a sheepscar. This name is very unusual, archaic and possibly just from Yorkshire. I think they made garments from sheep, possibly what we call sheepskin. Maybe they were what were also called fellmongerers, who stripped and sold skins for leather. There is a Sheepscar district in Leeds that must have some very old connection to this but nothing I can find online. Anyone there who has further knowledge of any of these topics? By the way, one generation later a relative, same name, married Ellen Newby in Topcliffe near Thirsk. He declared himself to be a tailor.

Many thanks,
Ray

Hi Marion, I have more information. It's still abit confusing because Boyes family prolific and a number of repeated Christian names - north England habit of naming after close relatives. You found John Boyce b. April 1829. That was in Stillington, it's not too far away and could be a possibility. It gives John and Jane as parents. Thomas, bapt Kirkdale 25.8.1827 has parents John and Jane. I can't find a marriage for John and Jane in either parish.
I now have the marriage cert. for John B and Sarah Cooper 2.1.1858. The English certs only give the father, whome he names John - this could work. From age on marr. cert. (28) he was born between 21.1.1829 and 20.1.1830 so that would match. There was a John born in Wombleton, 1830 but had parents Robert and Frances. John and Sarah gave residence as Wombleton, so they probably knew eachor from childhood.
Obviously hard to go back further at this stage but if I can establish parents I can probably easily link to Thomas B and Elizabeth Sunley md in Kirkdale parish and the first mentioned Boyes in Wombleton village. If so I also have their birth parishes taking us back to 17th C.
I shall next look at Humphrey family re your suggestion. There are some in same village..
Best wishes, Ray

Hi marion, thanks again.
Sorry to keep you waiting, been very busy and also needed to check thoroughly.John B. and Jane Humphrey md by license 21st April 1827. There is a Thomas born to John B. and Jane 25th Aug 1827 (too early?), not convinced a good match with age on obituary. There are 2 possibilities for parents of John, I just assumed father was Phineas, didn't know about stated parents on his marriage cert. It might help who John said his parents were when he married, that is English and would only give the father.Still thinking Fanny was Thomas' mother but those who raised him could be Phineas and Mary or John and Jane.
Have you come across a book called "Violet Grange, Leneva and Some Memories by Peg and Frank Boyes. I wonder if this shows some of John's family.
Thanks again for help, Ray

Hi, Marion, First to say I will also send you a private message as I am just practising and seeing how this will work. I can put more detail on there, relative to our joined family. Great to find a new distant relative. (To all other readers, it's great what can come out of Rootschat.) Generally, first, I am writing a short book about the lives of Christopher Long and Harriet Boyes, who were married in York. It is the filling out of family background and local history that makes for fascinating reading. Harriet's parents were Phineas Boyes and Elizabeth Benson. They probably met in York.. The relationship with Thomas might have been a little more complicated than direct cousins; I'm working on that, but they all came from Wombleton in the parish of Kirkdale. North country parishes were often large and contained more than one village, Wombleton is still very small. Baptismal records are under Kirkdale.
Thomas and John were both baptised at Kirkdale and were referred to as residents of Wombleton and so was Sarah, John's wife whom he brought to Victoria after returning to England. Her parents were George and Ann Cooper and he was a blacksmith. There are several misreadings being passed around as to who was Sarah but Sarah Cooper was a common name and if a relative turns up on the very edge of some family tree on Ancestry it is sometimes not well researched. Be sure, I have copies of their baptismal records.
Thanks for the details of Thomas' wife and children. I will add those to my records. I will send a family tree in a personal reply. It may be quite a few days, I have a busy week
Best wishes,
Ray