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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with third page of 1558 will please
« on: Thursday 05 October 17 17:51 BST (UK)  »
Hi Curry,
Apologies for a delay in responding.

First, you queried whether Parson Radford was from Charford or Clanfield.  You are quite correct, Maud’s will records that he was from Clanfield.  Her will is a little difficult to decipher in places but I too had transcribed this as Clanfield in my database but incorrectly put Charford in my post!

Secondly, the evidence for Henry Abarrow having served as the first Mayor of Petersfield is from the work of Prof. Edward Yates who conducted extensive research of the history of Petersfield, particularly in the Tudor and Stuart periods.  The specific reference is from one of his publications: ‘Petersfield in Tudor Times’, E M Yates (ISSN 0308-9266).  Unfortunately, I have not been able immediately to locate my copy to check if this provides a specific reference to the original historical record.  If you’ve not seen it copies are held in the library in Winchester and it is occasionally available for sale on line. 

A similar reference to Henry is also given in ‘Excavations at Sheep Street, Petersfield 1976’ (pages 159 & 160) – an extract from the Proceedings of the Hampshire Archaeological Society http://www.hantsfieldclub.org.uk/publications/hampshirestudies/digital/1990s/vol49/Fox&Hughes.pdf). 

This also refers to an Elizabeth Abarrow.  I have no information as to her identity though it seems reasonable to speculate that she may have been the widow of Sir John Abarrow (who was the son of Sir Maurice) who was born Elizabeth Danvers.  Alternatively, she may perhaps have been the wife/widow of one of Henry’s sons.

I also believe that Henry was also the son of Sir Maurice (ie the brother of Sir John); this view is echoed in a genealogy of the Danvers family: ‘Memorials of the Danvers Family’ (Macnamara, 1895).  However, he is not evident in the Abarrow pedigree of the 1544 Visitation of Hampshire.  Maurice was knighted at the battle of Stoke on 16 June 1487 alongside my ancestor, Henry Bold.

My own connection to the Abarrow family is at this stage somewhat tenuous.  As I explained in a previous post, Henry Abarrow’s Widow left instructions in her will that her young children were to be in the care of Giles Machell.  Giles’ daughter, Juliane, had married William Bold (my direct ancestor), the son of Henry Bold mentioned above.  Giles died shortly after and by his will transferred the care of the Abarrow children to William and Juliane.

Have you any light to throw on the possible Abarrow / Machell connection?

Regards,
Geoff

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with third page of 1558 will please
« on: Wednesday 17 September 14 15:49 BST (UK)  »
Hi Bridget,
Thanks for replying so quickly.  I have a copy of the Bellasis pedigree but was unaware of those by Poulson or de Salis.  My guess is that Giles was the son of John = Ruth Wharton; have you discounted that?  I agree that his father was not Hugh – I would have though Giles to be too old to be his sibling – and it doesn’t fit with Giles’ daughter being named for his Brother’s wife.

Re-reading my post, I realise that I mistakenly said Giles was the Mayor of Petersfield.  He wasn’t !  In fact this was Henry Abarrow who died in 1517 leaving a widow, Maud. 
Maud died a year or two after her Husband.  She left a Will in August 1517 that made bequests to her three children: Jane her daughter and Gyles and John her Sons. She also leaves instructions for some of her goods to be used to best effect for her children the care of which she entrusts to William Radford (of North Charford – the family seat of the Abarrows) and to Gyles Machell of Petersfield.

As you know, Gyles Machell himself died a couple of years later - in 1521 - also his Will transfers guardianship of the children to his Daughter, Gelyan (Julyan) then the Wife of William Bold.

This suggests a close link between the Bold, Machell and Abarrow familes (not least because Giles was a relatively uncommon name).  Total speculation (!) but perhaps Henry Abarrow’s wife Maud was a Machell……

Another coincidence that I have yet to understand is that my William Bold purchased land in Petersfield from George Rythe and Thomas Gantham (both lawyers of Lincolns Inn and later MPs).  The same George Rythe sold land to John Machell: ‘1552 - John Fitz-William, Elizabeth his wife and George Rythe, esq., and Elizabeth his wife passed by fine to John Machell, citizen and cloth worker of London, the manor of Burnedshed alias Burnyshed and tenements and rents in Burnyshed, [presumably Burnside?] Strikland Ketyll, Strikland Roger and Kendall.’

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Sussex / Re: Marriage of John Pellatt and Ann Haman
« on: Wednesday 17 September 14 12:57 BST (UK)  »
Hi Lee, only just seen your post - I'm new to Rootschat. John is my 10th Grt Grandfather; my records show that his Wife, Ann Hamon, died 9 Jan 1700 at Sandhurst.
Although others suggest that John married Ann Hamon at Warbleton in Sussex, it seems more likely that they married in Kent - probably at Cranbrook - Ann's birth place and also where Abraham Crittenden (see below) resided. Their 2 children were born at Newenden, the adjacent village.

Warbleton, No. 1138 -"John Pellet took to wife Ann Haman the second day of ye second Month one thousand six hundred & sixty two att a meeting of this people of Grod att the house of Abraham Crissenden."  [from a register of the Society of Friends]

John, like his siblings, was born in Bignor, Sussex but subsequently travelled west to Sandhurst in Kent, the county where this branch of the Pellatt line was to reside for the next two hundred years.  The following offers a likely explanation.

[From "Non-parochial Registers" The Soc. of Friends]:
“John was a passionate and outspoken dissenter who took on the Quaker cause.  He moved from Steyning area to Warbleton after disrupting of a sermon at Westmeston in 1657 causing him being sent to a house of correction.
 
As already intimated the Pellatts figured both as persecutors and as sufferers in connection with the introduction into Sussex of the doctrines of the people in scorne called Quakers. In indicating this connection, of course, no general account of this remarkable religious movement can be attempted, a brief reference to one or two cases in which j the Pelletts and their friends were concerned being all I have space for. When George Fox visited the county in 1655 one John Pellat is found assisting to break up a meeting at the house of Nicholas Rickman in Arundel, and to get one Thomas Lamcock, who had just been liberated from Horsham Prison, sent back there again. Soon after this, Fox came to Steyning and, by permission of the constable, held a meeting in the Market Place. Some of the Pellatts accepted his teaching, for in 1657 we find an interesting account of John Pellatt going into the Parish Church at Westmeston [near Lewes] and interrogating the clergyman "touching what he had been delivering." Incited by the minister the congregation hauled John Pellet before a magistrate, who committed him to prison, where he lay three months, and then was called to the "Barr" at the Lewes Sessions, to find sureties for his good behaviour. Being hustled and roughly handled in Court, one William Holbeam was fined £3 for interposing to save him from the crowd and preventing his being trampled upon, while he himself and one Richard Pratt (who helped to protect him from the rabble in the streets while on his way to the House of Correction) were both committed to prison, but soon after were liberated. The sufferings of Ambrose Galloway would fill a volume ; they extended over a period of nearly forty years. He was repeatedly fined, imprisoned and excommunicated for attending meetings or for refusing to attend services at the Parish Church. Samuel Astie, "a most zealous informer," and Thomas Barrett appear as persecutors of the Quakers. Nicholas Beard was one of the sufferers, Ninion Bracket was another, Abraham Crittenden another, the former being imprisoned for refusing to take an oath, the latter being exorbitantly fined. Many of the warrants for apprehending the Quakers in Lewes were issued by Justice Henry Shelly [the overseer of John Pellatt's Brother, Thomas', Will]. Mary Akehurst, of the Cliff, was brutally tortured by her husband, as well as roughly used by the people. William Alcock was Clerk of the Peace at the Court of Sessions at Lewes [& Father-inLaw of John Pellatt's Brother, Thomas]. “

Abraham Crittenden (junior) was the Son of another Abraham, born in Cranbrook, Kent in abt 1610 & was the founder of the 'Guildford Colony' in America, where he died in abt 1683.  Since Abraham Junior had travelled to America in around 1646, the reference above must be to his Father.  The following is from the "Genealogies of Connecticut Families", Vol 1, p. 502: "Abraham Cruttenden (also  spelt Crittenden) was one of the first settlers of Guilford and was one of the 25 signers of the Plantation Covenant in 1639. It is said that he came from the County of Kent in England and had been a neighbor of William Chittenden, whose widow he afterwards married

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with third page of 1558 will please
« on: Wednesday 17 September 14 09:31 BST (UK)  »
Hi Bridget
Re the last line of part 1 , page 3:  I suspect that this is 'St Michael le Querne' which is a parish in the city of London (it was also called St Michael ad Bladum).

I am new to Rootschat - this is my first post so I trust that I'm not breaching protocol!  But in replying, I very much hope you may be able to throw some light on any connection between the Machells and my antecedents, the Bold family (of Lancashire/Cheshire and Hampshire).

My own connection to the Machell family is with Julyan (Juliane) Machell who was the wife of William Bold, of Petersfield, Hampshire.  She was born in around 1505, the daughter of Giles Machell.  Giles was the Mayor of Petersfield in 1517 and died there in 1521; his will (dated 26 April 1521) indicated that he was survived by 4 children: John, Leonard, Robert and Julyan, (which the will spelt as Gelyan - the wife of William).  Julyan also had a brother, John who died in 1522 leaving a will in which he named her as ‘Juliane, the sister wife of William Boold’.

It seems highly likely that Giles was the son of John Machell, born about 1440 (= Ruth Wharton) of Crackenthorpe, Westmoreland.  William’s wife was likely to have been named after her Aunt  (Julyen, nee Leyborne) the wife of Giles’ brother, Hugh.  The fact that Hugh had a brother, Guy who had a son that he named Gyllys (ie Giles), gives support to this hypothesis.

From my research I believe that ‘my’ William Bold was born around 1475, the Son of Sir Henry Bold (1448 – 1497) of Bold Hall, near Widnes, Lancashire.  John Machell evidently had close links with the Bold family and, although he moved south from Westmoreland to London, also held land in both Lancashire and Cheshire.  My guess is that this was inherited from his father.

One of Sir Henry Bold’s granddaughters,  Elizabeth married Matthew Chase of the manor of Chesham – next door to the John Machell’s manor at Wendover.  John Machell also had a very close association with Philip Bold (a grandson of Sir Henry) who succeed him  the very next year both as Warden and Master of the Clothworkers Company.   And he shared the office as Sheriff of London with Sir Thomas Leigh [Legh] who married Sir Henry’s Sister in law.

I would be most grateful to learn of any information that you may have (or sources that you may have identified) regarding the Machell lineage between about 1440 and 1550 and particularly any connections they may have had with the Bold or interests in Lancashire, Cheshire and Hampshire.

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