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Hello Manchestertwang
Thankyou for your post and you are related to my dear wife whom I lost in 2022. According  to Ancestry you are Anna's 1st cousin once removed. Anna was Augustine's second youngest of eight children.
I entered you into Anna's tree to arrive at the relationship and named you "Manchestertwang" and guessed you were female because  i had to choose and I think perhaps you surname was Moore.
I did most of Anna's research so if you have any questions please feel free to ask.
Regards kiwigeoff

Thanks heatherjulie.
That's probably the reason i haven't found it.
The youngest child was Jonathan born in 1828 and buried 25th Jan (or Feb) 1829 and I found his record in "England and Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970 but it was the address that clinched it as correct.
I was hoping that the similarities  between registers might produce an answer.
kiwigeoff.

Hello all.
I have three, 3 x great aunts who just seem to disappear.
First is Mary baptized 25th Dec 1819 at Manchester Cathedral, parent's Jonathan Ogden, a Dyer, and Mary, no further records found.
Second is Martha baptized 20th Oct 1822, ditto, last appears in the 1841 census with parents but wrongly named Matilda.
Third is Elizabeth baptized 1st Jan 1826, ditto, last appears in the 1851 census with mother and eldest brother John W Ogden.
The father Jonathan was a Dyer when baptizing the children but a School Master in 1841. Either of these occupations would normally appear on marriage certificates for the girls, if found, and did on both son's marriages.
But in particular, Family Search have a Mary Ogden buried 25th June 1822, age 2, and parent's Jonathan and Mary but no occupation stated and no image. I am unable to find this record on Ancestry for some reason. So i wondered if some body may be able to find an image or alternative record which confirms this Jonathan's occupation?
There was another similar couple baptizing children at the same time, same Cathedral, but occupation Coal Miner.
Any help would be just great.
Thanks.
kiwilong.

Thankyou rosie for your interest and yes, the 2 births are correct, Mary Jane didn't claim a father for George Henry and the 1891 census was the correct one, what a mixed up family.
My brickwall remains resolutely standing.
Regards.
kiwilong.

Hello Kay 99 and rosie99.
I didn't realize the situation regarding the 1939 register, makes sense I suppose.
William Edward was my Grandmother's cousin and in the 1891 census, can be found under the surname "Swindler",his grandmother is Mary Swindler, he is aged one. My grandmother was Mary E Swindles, age  four. The correct surname spelling was "Swindells". I have William's birth certificate and his mother was Mary Jane Maloney, formally Swindells but as she was not married i think the father, George Maloney, was a fabrication.
Mary Jane never seems to appear in records following the birth record and William Edward also disappears following the 1891 census. Finding him in the 1939 register was a possible break through as you can see. The age given in 1939 would indicate a birth of 1889 but with an actual birth date of March 1890 could still well be the right person.
The death you found Kay could well be my man and it may be worth my getting the certificate.
Obviously, i was hoping the 1939 record would lead me to family members.
Thanks for your thoughts.
kiwigeoff.