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England / Re: SAVILLE No 2 (continued)
« on: Wednesday 03 March 21 08:33 GMT (UK)  »
PETER STANDISH SAVILLE continued .....

Anecdotal evidence from Saville's acquaintances and a deceased friend note the following:

* Was in New Zealand for approx 24mths before enlistment for WW2 service in 1942.
* Visited his home in England after released from POW Camp, enroute back to NZ - Butler turned him away from the house at father's instructions.
* Was exceptionally well dress at all times, tailored suits, silk ties, brogues etc.
* Spoke several languages
* Could recite long passages of Robert Burns with ease
* Enjoyed alcohol, regularly, but always a gentleman when imbibed
* Spoke "beautiful" English
* Received a monthly cheque from England (mother),cashed at the ANZ Bank, Timaru.
* Was known to make idle threats to return to England if additional funds were not made available on demand.
* Two separate nominees who agreed to be his Next of Kin whilst overseas during WW2, withdrew their support while he returned to NZ and hospitalised at Hanmer.
* Saville was adjudged at Hanmer Hospital to be unfit to return to the UK to face a Court Martial he had been called to, for altering his Paybook and Falsifying a travel warrant.
* The nature of Saville's sea service is unknown.
* It is suspected he may have lived either in Sussex or Greater London - tenuous suggestion at best?

If anyone out there can connect any dots or verify any connections, I would be most interested to hear from you as I am now well and truly stuck on this one!

Kind regards,

Ian D. Martyn
Nelson, NZ

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Dear Forum Sleuths

This a tricky quest, one which involves a well to do English family and their son, a Remittance Man who was sent to New Zealand just prior to WW2.  My biggest fear is that this man may have altered his name in order to conceal his family's identity?

My reason for starting this trace is that I have a set of New Zealand WW2 medals named to "PETER STANDISH SAVILLE" whose descendant family I would like to return his medals to.

Peter S. SAVILL (note spelling - I believe this to be the correct spelling) arrived in NZ approx 1937 and resided for the remainder of his life as a single man in the port city of Timaru in the South Island of NZ.  The information he gave on enlisting in the NZ Army for WW2 service shows variations which may be significant to uncovering his identity (there appears to have been a conscious attempt to fabricate his background to conceal family identity).

The one rumour that persisted during his life and long after his death from those he interacted with in Timaru, was that he was in some way connected to the SHAW, SAVILL & ALBION families???  I have not been able to establish any such connection which may just be part of an overall fabricated facade.

I should also point out that the spelling of Saville started as SAVILL and finished up as SAVILLE.  I have copied the spellings as they appear in each of the various records:

The following is what is in the public record, taken mainly from his New Zealand Army war service file, hospital records and Electoral & Census information.  This information was recorded in 1939 at enlistment:

ENLISTMENT

Name:   Peter Standish SAVILL               
DOB:    There are TWO - Death Cert states: 06 Jan 1907; Enlistment record states: 08 Jan 1913
POB:     Channel Islands - Sark (no existing records of this name according to Sark Archives, or Guernsey)
Occupation:   Seaman (it is unknown if this was a long term occupation - may relate to SAVILL?
Education:     English Public School (UK) - name not stated
Location & Level: not stated
Last Employment:  c/o CLAYTON STATION, Fairlie, South Canterbury
Employer:       A. McKenzie
Occupation:    Farm Labourer
Current Address: c/o 42 Gray Road, Timaru
NOK 1939:        Mrs Pauline SAVILL (mother)
NOK Address:    La Belle, Hautgarde, Nice, France
Father:              Peter SAVILL (taken from Death Cert/Hospital Record) - states "born in France"
Father's Occup:  Tailor
Mother:              Pauline SAVILL       
DOD:                 25 Jan 1991, Timaru, New Zealand - 84 yrs.
Buried:              Timaru Cemetery (Returned Services Section)


NZ MILITARY SERVICE

Regt No. 22422
Rank:   Gunner
Unit:     5 Field Regiment(Reinforcements) 2NZEF - 2nd NZ Divisional Artillery.
Corps:  RNZ Artillery
Post:    RHQ - Clerk
Embarked:  April 1940 > Egypt
Campaign:  North Africa
POW in Germany:  11 Feb 1942 - Interred at Campo 57 at Gruppignano near Udine, Italy.   
                           3200 prisoners, mainly Aust & NZ Warrant Officers and soldiers.
POW Released to UK:  27 Apr 1945
Returned NZ:  Dec 1945 - admitted Queen Mary Hospital, Hanmer on arrival NZ - "Anxiety and
                     Malnutrition" - 3 mths in care.  Mother could not be contacted to advise.
Court Martial pending:  Required to return to UK when released fm Hanmer
Declared unfit to stand trial.
Discharged:    Apr 1946

CIVIL EMPLOYMENT

1938-39:  Clayton Station, Fairlie - Farm Hand
Note: known as P.S. SAVILLE from this time.
Boarding Address: 62 Otipua Road, Kensington, Timaru

Electoral Roll entries below:
1949:     Clerk at Otekaieke Special School for Boys (boys with delayed & learning difficulties) - Waimate, South Canterbury                                                                             
1954      Otekaieke Special School, Oamaru   Clerk
1957      Waipiata, Otago, Central Otago      Attendant (petrol station?)
1963      62 Otipua Rd, Kensington, Timaru   Seafarer
1972      62 Otipua Rd, Kensington, Timaru   Seafarer
1981      62 Otipua Rd, Kensington, Timaru   Retired
1990      Timaru Public Hospital
1991      Death - Timaru Public Cemetery records his occupation as: "Retired Gentleman"

WILL:     Bequest of $3000 to Timaru Hospital, $2000 to NZ Red Cross, $2000 to Cancer Society,
              balance "to my friend Mary Nicol" of 68 Bowker St. Kensington, Timaru. 

Note:  Mrs Nicol was SAVILLE's carer and housekeeper during the last years of his life, and lived in the same street with her husband.

MEDALS:  These were located wrapped and in a Pal Mall tin, in the hot-water cupboard of a rural
               farm property at HUIA, a seaside coast area north west of Auckland.  They had NOT
               been stolen and clearly had been left by someone who had stayed/lived in the residence
               whilst still a working farm.  Medals were privately engraved with his name spelled as
               SAVILLE.   NZ WW2 medals were issued in blank, owner responsibility for naming.

Please go to my next post, "SAVILLE No 2" for the remainder as I have exceeded the maximum characters for one post.

Kind regards,

Ian D. Martyn
Nelson, NZ

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England / SAVILLE No 2 (continued)
« on: Tuesday 02 March 21 04:00 GMT (UK)  »
PETER STANDISH SAVILLE continued .....

Anecdotal evidence from Saville's acquaintances and a deceased friend note the following:

* Was in New Zealand for approx 24mths before enlistment for WW2 service in 1942.
* Visited his home in England after released from POW Camp, enroute back to NZ - Butler turned him away from the house at father's instructions.
* Was exceptionally well dress at all times, tailored suits, silk ties, brogues etc.
* Spoke several languages
* Could recite long passages of Robert Burns with ease
* Enjoyed alcohol, regularly, but always a gentleman when imbibed
* Spoke "beautiful" English
* Received a monthly cheque from England (mother),cashed at the ANZ Bank, Timaru.
* Was known to make idle threats to return to England if additional funds were not made available on demand.
* Two separate nominees who agreed to be his Next of Kin whilst overseas during WW2, withdrew their support while he returned to NZ and hospitalised at Hanmer.
* Saville was adjudged at Hanmer Hospital to be unfit to return to the UK to face a Court Martial he had been called to, for altering his Paybook and Falsifying a travel warrant.
* The nature of Saville's sea service is unknown.
* It is suspected he may have lived either in Sussex or Greater London - tenuous suggestion at best?

If anyone out there can connect any dots or verify any connections, I would be most interested to hear from you as I am now well and truly stuck on this one!

Kind regards,

Ian D. Martyn
Nelson, NZ


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Dear Forum Sleuths

This a tricky quest, one which involves a well to do English family and their son, a Remittance Man who was sent to New Zealand just prior to WW2.  My biggest fear is that this man may have altered his name in order to conceal his family's identity?

My reason for starting this trace is that I have a set of New Zealand WW2 medals named to "PETER STANDISH SAVILLE" whose descendant family I would like to return his medals to.

Peter S. SAVILL arrived in NZ approx 1937 and resided for the remainder of his life as a single man in the port city of Timaru in the South Island of NZ.  The information he gave on enlisting in the NZ Army for WW2 service shows variations which may be significant to uncovering his identity (there appears to have been a conscious attempt to fabricate his background to conceal family identity).

The one rumour that persisted during his life and long after his death from those he interacted with in Timaru, was that he was in some way connected to the SHAW, SAVILL & ALBION families???  I have not been able to establish any such connection which may just be part of an overall fabricated facade.

I should also point out that the spelling of Saville started as SAVILL and finished up as SAVILLE.  I have copied the spellings as they appear in each of the various records:

The following is what is in the public record, taken mainly from his New Zealand Army war service file, hospital records and Electoral & Census information.  This information was recorded in 1939 at enlistment:

ENLISTMENT

Name:   Peter Standish SAVILL               
DOB:    There are TWO - Death Cert states: 06 Jan 1907; Enlistment record states: 08 Jan 1913
POB:     Channel Islands - Sark (no existing records of this name according to Sark Archives, or Guernsey)
Occupation:   Seaman (it is unknown if this was a long term occupation - may relate to SAVILL?
Education:     English Public School (UK) - name not stated
Location & Level: not stated
Last Employment:  c/o CLAYTON STATION, Fairlie, South Canterbury
Employer:       A. McKenzie
Occupation:    Farm Labourer
Current Address: c/o 42 Gray Road, Timaru
NOK 1939:        Mrs Pauline SAVILL (mother)
NOK Address:    La Belle, Hautgarde, Nice, France
Father:              Peter SAVILL (taken from Death Cert/Hospital Record) - states "born in France"
Father's Occup:  Tailor
Mother:              Pauline SAVILL       

DOD:                25 Jan 1991, Timaru, New Zealand - 84 yrs.
Buried:              Timaru Cemetery (Returned Services Section)
Cause:               Rectal Cancer

NZ MILITARY SERVICE

Regt No. 22422
Rank:   Gunner
Unit:     5 Field Regiment(Reinforcements) 2NZEF - 2nd NZ Divisional Artillery.
Corps:  RNZ Artillery
Post:    RHQ - Clerk
Embarked:  April 1940 > Egypt
Campaign:  North Africa
POW in Germany:  11 Feb 1942 - Interred at Campo 57 at Gruppignano near Udine, Italy.   
                           3200 prisoners, mainly Aust & NZ Warrant Officers and soldiers.
POW Released to UK:  27 Apr 1945
Returned NZ:  Dec 1945 - admitted Queen Mary Hospital, Hanmer on arrival NZ - "Anxiety and
                     Malnutrition" - 3 mths in care.  Mother could not be contacted to advise.
Court Martial pending:  Required to return to UK when released fm Hanmer
Declared unfit to stand trial.
Discharged:    Apr 1946

CIVIL EMPLOYMENT

1938-39:  Clayton Station, Fairlie - Farm Hand
Note: known as P.S. SAVILLE from this time.
Boarding Address: 62 Otipua Road, Kensington, Timaru

Electoral Roll entries below:
1949:     Clerk at Otekaieke Special School for Boys (boys with delayed & learning difficulties) - Waimate, South Canterbury                                                                             
1954      Otekaieke Special School, Oamaru   Clerk
1957      Waipiata, Otago, Central Otago      Attendant (petrol station?)
1963      62 Otipua Rd, Kensington, Timaru   Seafarer
1972      62 Otipua Rd, Kensington, Timaru   Seafarer
1981      62 Otipua Rd, Kensington, Timaru   Retired
1990      Timaru Public Hospital
1991      Death - Timaru Public Cemetery records his occupation as: "Retired Gentleman"

WILL:     Bequest of $3000 to Timaru Hospital, $2000 to NZ Red Cross, $2000 to Cancer Society,
              balance "to my friend Mary Nicol" of 68 Bowker St. Kensington, Timaru. 

Note:  Mrs Nicol was SAVILLE's carer and housekeeper during the last years of his life, and lived in the same street with her husband.

MEDALS:  These were located wrapped and in a Pal Mall tin, in the hot-water cupboard of a rural
               farm property at HUIA, a seaside coast area north west of Auckland.  They had NOT
               been stolen and clearly had been left by someone who had stayed/lived in the residence
               whilst still a working farm.  Medals were privately engraved with his name spelled as
               SAVILLE.   NZ WW2 medals were issued in blank, owner responsibility for naming.

Please go to my next post, "SAVILLE No 2" for the remainder as I have exceeded the maximum characters for one post.

Kind regards,

Ian D. Martyn
Nelson, NZ

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World War One / Re: Royal Scots Greys
« on: Tuesday 31 March 20 01:33 BST (UK)  »
Hi Andy,

I just stumbled across you query albeit 10 years late as I use a pic of your grandfathers medals (attached) as a header on my website page - www.medalsreunitednz.co.nz Here is the write up that went with it: 

D.C.M. London Gazette 28 March 1918: ‘For conspicuous gallantry and devotion to duty. Although knocked down by a shell he kept his platoon together during a critical situation when a relief was being carried out under heavy fire. He collected tools and weapons that had been cut off by a barrage and attended and arranged the evacuation of the wounded.’

Grosvenor Cecil Andrews was born in Kensington, London, on 13 July 1884, and Baptised 05 Oct 1884.  He enlisted into the 2nd Dragoons in 1902 and for the greater part of his life was with the Royal Scots Greys which he was 5 times recommended for decorations and was awarded the D.C.M. and mentioned in dispatches. 

100834 Private G.C. Andrews, Royal Scots Greys served in Scotland then later in Egypt, Palestine and the North West Frontier of India.  By the outbreak of war in 1914 had attained the rank of Sergeant. Sgt. Andrews is credited with being the first British Soldier to fire at the enemy and secure the first kill, the incident happening on the morning of August 22, 1914.  He was awarded one of only 17 D.C.M.’s gained by the RSG regiment during the war, by the end of which he was a Squadron Sergeant Major (SSM). He was serving at Risalpur, North West Frontier province, India, when he applied to join the New Zealand Military Forces (NZMF). He was, at the time of his discharge on 07 May 1924, the Regimental Quartermaster Sergeant (RQMS) of the Royal Scots Greys Regiment.

A testimonial written on 28 May 1924 by his former Commanding Officer states:

‘I have known RQMS G. C. Andrews, Royal Scots Greys, for 20 years during which time he has been in the Royal Scots Greys. He is a very high class W.O., most capable in every way, and thoroughly to be relied on. Honest, sober, conscientious, very hard working, with a very pleasant manner. He is most adaptable and I consider would fill any position of trust in civil life most satisfactorily. During the War he was Squadron Sergeant Major and on every occasion proved himself to be a man of great initiative, always cheerful, and never failed to do his duty no matter how trying the circumstances.’

800134 S/SGT GC Andrews NZ Artillery, NZPS, NZ Military Forces

S/SGT Andrews emigrated to New Zealand with his family in 1924, and was appointed as Staff Sergeant to the N.Z. Permanent Staff with effect from 9 June 1924. During August 1933 he was posted from the appointment of Mounted Rifles Instructor in Auckland to be Regimental Sergeant-Major of the North Auckland Mounted Rifles. In November 1939 he was sent temporarily to the Mobilisation Camp at Ngaruawahia, working long hours getting the men ready for overseas deployment. He was appointed to a temporary Quartermaster’s commission on 21 May 1940, and took up the duty of Assistant Area Officer, serving subsequently at various military camps. Appointed Assistant Area Staff Officer, Area 3, in December 1943, Andrews held that appointment until he became Adjutant of the 1st Battalion, The Auckland Regiment (the Countess of Ranfurly’s Own) on 14 August 1944. He was later appointed Adjutant of the 1st Battalion, The North Auckland Regiment, but relinquished that appointment on 5 January 1946, when he was posted to the Retired List with the rank of Captain and Quartermaster. Captain Andrews was awarded the Meritorious Service Medal (MSM) on 30 January 1946 (Authority NZAL No. 33) and received it at a presentation during a parade of the Whangerei High School Cadet Battalion in March 1946. He was nearly sixty-two years old at the time of his award.

He was nearly sixty-two years old at the time of his award.  Employment in subsequent years is taken from NZ Auckland Electoral Rolls: 1949 - Soldier (poss retired 1950 at age 65, mandatory retiring age?); 1954 – Retired at 10 Powhiri Ave, Grey Lynn; 1957 - Company Secretary.

CAPT GC Andrews, DCM, MSM died 08 Feb 1961 at Whangarei, Northland aged 76yrs; buried on 10 Feb 1961 at Manu Cemetery Whangarei, Northland.
Home Address: 10 Powhiri, Avenue, Kensington, Whangarei

Mil service of Son:  Cecil Grosvenor Andrews
B: 05Nov1910    Occ:  Electrical Engr   Age: 19yrs 3mths
School - Senior Cadets:  1924-1928 - 4 yrs a SGT
Address: 4 Baildon Rd, Grey Lynn, AUCKLAND
Enlisted on Probation as Gunner: 25 Feb 1930 at Trentham, WGTN - RNZArtillery, NZ Permanent Military Forces
Description: 1553 GNR C.G. Andrews RNZA - NZPF
Promotion: Aug 1928-CPL, Feb 1929-L/SGT, Dec 1929-SGT
Disch: 22 Jun 1930  Reason: Staff reduction due to financial constraints placed on NZPMF


Grosvenor Cecil Andrews
Birth   13/07/1884 at 10 Radcot Street, Kennington Surrey England
Brother      Walter Herbert Andrews (1889-1978) m Edith Maud RIGGS
Marriage   23/12/1909 at Tottenham Middlesex England  (23 Dec, my birthday!)
Residence   1938 Northland New Zealand
Death   1961 Whangarei Whangarei Northland New Zealand
Record information.
Father   Cecil Grosvenor Andrews (1857-1920) buried Purewa Cem, Northland NZ
Mother   Hannah Makemson (1860-1950) fm Cockermouth, Cumberland
Spouse   Robina Glen (Born 1885-1952) fm Glasgow
Children    3 sons?


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Essex / Re: SAVILL - Remittance Man in New Zealand, c19375 - 1991
« on: Saturday 19 October 19 05:21 BST (UK)  »
I think you are right.  Philip Savill and Peter Savill(e) being seaman may be coincidental as is the P. Savill connection to NZ.  However the Shaw Savill Soc Pres Graham pepper, confirms Philip Savill on said ships and dates as previously reported.  So he must have visited NZ often until he finally signed off in 1937 - in the UK, and as you say is accounted for until his death in the UK.

 I have always doubted the "Peter Standish" part of his name but Savill/Saville in what ever form, I think may be right, PS not wanting t let go of such a distinguished connection (just modifying his surname by adding the (e) to deflect attention fm family.  The only other Savill's of note connected to same family was a brewing arm, I think through Walter Savill's older brother Ebenezer Savill.  Theorretically PSS could have claimed connex to shipping SSL through any one of Walters brothers? (or sisters, if he changed his name to Savill from whatever it was he had been born??)

Harder & harder the deeper one looks !

Ian

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Essex / Re: SAVILL - Remittance Man in New Zealand, c1937 - 1991
« on: Saturday 19 October 19 04:57 BST (UK)  »
Anecdotal from Rootschat - Savill rented 42 Grey Rd house/flat from father of the informant (Owen) below. I found this when initially exploring Rootschat for SAVILL info in 2017: 

- Re: Remittance Men sent to the Colonies

« Reply #1 on: Sunday 10 October 2004 07:11 BST (UK) » 2017
    Yes !  when I was a young man living in Timaru N.Z in 1953,  there was a remittance man who  came from England.. He was from the Savill [the shaw savill] shipping line; his name was from memory Peter.  He rented a flat from my father, and spoke beautiful English, recited Bobby Burns and of course was mostly well imbibed, the drunker he got the better he recited.  He collected his remittance every month by cheque and cashed it at the local ANZ bank.
Hope this helps,
Owen S. Powell

Owen & Ann POWELL - we live 100 kls. north of Sydney on the lakes

================================================

In addition, a Timaru researcher responded to my Ancestry.com query in July 2017:
"Unbeknown to my husband G...., Peter Savill was an acquaintance of his father (deceased) who worked at the Club Hotel as a barman 1945-65; then went to Grosvenor Hotel. Peter was also friendly with another family friend, Betsy McK. She is the one who can remember him (Peter) quite clearly.

She told me this gentleman (Peter) belongs somewhere in the Savill family of Shaw Savill Shipping.  She said he was very intelligent and could apparently speak several languages so not sure if he was used in any way during the war?

Very well dressed, good quality well cut suits, a bit of a talker who liked a few drinks. He boarded at 62 Otipua Rd, Timaru which interestingly was sold about 6 weeks after he died in 1991.

She also said that he was a ‘remittance man’ sent away when he supposedly got a maid pregnant.  Apparently his family paid for the child’s education. Whenever he wanted more money he used to threaten to go back to England ! 

Either during or just after the war he was in England and walked up the long drive to his house and rang the bell. The butler answered. He came back and said his father wasn't home but Peter could see him through a window sitting by a fire. Families!"

The medically related info is from his military file, as provided by the then QM Hosp Superintendent.

The plot thickens .....

Regards, Ian

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Essex / Re: SAVILL - Remittance Man in New Zealand, c1937 - 1991
« on: Saturday 19 October 19 03:34 BST (UK)  »
Hi Ambly

No reply yet fm Funeral Dirs – file archived, requested.

Re NICOL – highly likely informant.  Alex Wyper N. (Motherwell , Lanark) and Mary H. (surname unk) marr in Scot (prob Glasgow); living 595 Glasgow Rd, Glasgow 1950-51.  Emig to Wgtn 30 Dec 1952 – he a Fitter. Went to Dunedin on arr , staying c/o Robertson, 45 Maryville Tce Mornington (family?).  Fitter/Engr. Left Dnd c1965 for Timaru – listed in 1969 art Bowker Rd (cnr section) on Otipua Rd.  PSS lived diag opp, 50 off meters fm Nicols.  Alex died 1978.  Mary remained, probably neighbourly.  She did not die until 1991 so would poss have cared for PSS as long as he remained at 62 Otipua (believe he boarded).  House sold 6 weeks after death.  Relationship with Nicols prob incidental.

Frank Saville born/bur 1955 (2hrs) – Parents UNK.  The other Frank Saville born 1917-1999 (Parents, James W. and Emm E. Saville)

Maurice Melb Saville – interesting that MM also in NZ Artillery – he and PSS would likely have met,  was also a Clerk by trade.  Went with 2nd Echelon to Middle East with 7 Anti-tank Regt.  Had looked at this family from Horwell Downs previously – interesting that HD prop is very near Clayton Station, same area.  No apparent connx.  But why would PSS, a public sch educ, well spoken and cultured upper class, snappily dressed man who spoke several languages and whose occup was Seaman, take a job as a farm lab at Fairlie ?? unless there was a connex, or he wanted to hide ??  Philip Savill finished his sea service in 1937 around same time as PSS came ashore in NZ (all ships Philip on were SSL with NZ destinations ??)

Neither is there any connex with the (Shaw) Savills of St Helens, Hanmer  - Walter Savill (fndr of S-Sav) brother Frederick James emig to NZ and built “St Helens” sheep station.  Mentioned in David Savill’s History of the SS Line.

SCANES – Fred George fm IRE, wife Elsie Mary BROMLEY fm Vic Aust.

Got to be something that makes the connex ? – PSS getting month Remit Cheques fm mother and cashing at ANZ Timaru.  Threatened to come home if they were late! 

Statement from Queen Mary Hosp Hanmer also revealing:
PSS in QM 1946, post POW care. Mother, Mrs Pauline SAVILL – could not be contacted. Medical File advises ‘considerable difficulty has been experienced in regard to his next-of-kin; those previously nominated by him have refused to continue as such’.   PSS advised NOK now:  Miss Maureen FINLAY of Temuka.
NOK:    1946  “Friend” – Miss Maureen FINLAY, 22 Dyson St, Temuka }  refused to be PSSs’ NOK !!  Deceased.         

1946 -   Another “FRIEND” nominated by PSS as NOK – Miss Elspeth BURBURY
“Sherwood” Waiau, Hurunui, Nth Canterbury  } also refused to be PSS’s NOK !! (Memo 21 Jan 1946) – Burbury went to live in Hamilton after war, Occupation: Gardener.  Died.  ‘Miss Burbury became NOK as SAVILL stated that his Mother & Sister were killed in Spain during the rebellion and his Father has been missing since that period.’     
‘Medically boarded at QM Hospital, requested fitness to attend Court Martial in England – NOT fit to undergo any form of punishment. Suffering anxiety state & malnutrition following time in POW Camp.’
   
Got to be a connex / answer somewhere – grateful for any suggestions.

Ian

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Essex / Re: SAVILL - Remittance Man in New Zealand, c1937 - 1991
« on: Wednesday 16 October 19 21:41 BST (UK)  »
Mckha489

Thank you for your valuable input - I was almost swayed when I first saw this information some time ago (age, m mariner etc) but had to rule it out on the strength of Peter Standish's 'alleged' birth date of 08 Jan 1913 on his NZ Army attestation form.  It is noteworthy that the NZ Timaru Hospital records and his Death Cert his birth date as: 06 Jan 1907 (per Savill’s NZ Death Certificate).  The revised birth date (1913) may have been linked to a desire to gain entry to the Army by reducing his age although he fell well within the age limits permitted for o'seas service.  I imagine at the time he was hospitalised he would have had no reason to falsify his birthday so perhaps 1907 is the most correct, ergo very close to Philip's however Peter Standish did not decease in 1988 nor in Brentwood?

I did find it ironic that Philip for a man obviously sent to Sudan to gain experience or .....etc (as was the practice for a number Savill men) that all the ships he sailed on were Savill line ships and all involved NZ as a destination?  The maritime link is strong but connecting any identity link between Philip and Peter Standish I think is a no go.  The problem is that none of the information I have from NZ records is verifiable as accurate or otherwise.  The date variations re birth does not even take me to another Savill of similar vintage who fits the bill.

I remain stuck at this point and welcome any other ideas.

Thank you for helping.

Regards, Ian


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