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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Help researching eveline shulman
« on: Friday 29 April 22 17:24 BST (UK)  »
I was talking about the O単ray family in 1911. I know we have found the Shulman family. Interestingly John Hendry O単ray didn稚 die till 1933!
ADD I have found John Henry on his own in Gorbals in 1911. It looks as if there were four children who all died as infants.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Help researching eveline shulman
« on: Friday 29 April 22 17:15 BST (UK)  »
I just had a look at the 1898 marriage and it is her. Parents Thomas O達rien, Commissionaire and Margaret O達rien m/s Kane. Same details as on the Shulman marriage in 1908.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Help researching eveline shulman
« on: Friday 29 April 22 15:44 BST (UK)  »
I believe Annie O達rien may have been married before she married David Schulman in Glasgow in 1908. There is a marriage in 1898 in Glasgow between a John Henry O単ray and an Annie O Brien. The 1901 census indicates that Annie O単ray was born around 1878 in the East Indies. This is an exact match for Annie O達rien/Shulman as regards year and place of birth. Can稚 find the family in 1911. John Henry and Annie had two children by 1901 and there are other likely births in the years following.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Help researching eveline shulman
« on: Thursday 21 April 22 08:38 BST (UK)  »
This query has just resurfaced on another board. As a result I have just had a look at the 1921 English census. This shows Eveline as Evelyn Johnson living in Stretford, Manchester with mother Annie (Annie married Bertram Johnson on 21 April 1921, shortly after the death of David Schulman) The 1921 Census shows Evelyn as born 1905 in Scotland which appears to confirm what many of us thought - that she was the five year old Eva Barrett Schulman listed as a stepdaughter of David and Annie in the 1911 Scottish census and was therefore born much earlier than the OP thought. Just thought others who worked on this might be interested.

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Perthshire / Re: James Christie bap.09.08.1820 & Jane Sherwood
« on: Sunday 28 June 20 20:33 BST (UK)  »
Great find IsabelH

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Perthshire / Re: James Christie bap.09.08.1820 & Jane Sherwood
« on: Sunday 28 June 20 18:49 BST (UK)  »
Okay I think I have found you proof that the James who died in 1862 is not yours. In 1851 there is a James Christie age 30 in Kirkgate Perth who is a Grocer. He has a servant called Hellin  Rae born around 1832 in Auchtermuchty. This matches with Helen Rae who married James Christie and subsequently John Roy. She also was born in Auchtermuchty in 1832. In 1851 your James was living with his wife and family. You know from his death certificate that the James who died in 1862 was the son of James Christie and Ann Rough so they are not the parents of your James who are almost certainly John Christie and Ann McIntosh. Your James Christie went to Canada.

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Perthshire / Re: James Christie bap.09.08.1820 & Jane Sherwood
« on: Sunday 28 June 20 18:01 BST (UK)  »
The trees on Ancestry actually say Agnes Tough Christie died AFTER 1881. The trees actually include census entries for her in 1891 and 1901.

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Perthshire / Re: James Christie bap.09.08.1820 & Jane Sherwood
« on: Sunday 28 June 20 17:22 BST (UK)  »
Helen Rae or Christie was in Kilmarnock in 1861 living with her widowed father David. Her two daughters Jemima (1) and Jessie (6) were with her, both born Perth ( Jemima is transcribed as Jamine and Helen as Ellen on Ancestry). Mother and daughters show as Rae or Christy on the census entry. Ellen is described as married and her occupation is Housekeeper. My guess is that her husband James was already in the Asylum in 1861. Meanwhile the other James ( the one that was the widower of Jane Sherwood) was in Airdrie with his children.

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Perthshire / Re: James Christie bap.09.08.1820 & Jane Sherwood
« on: Sunday 28 June 20 16:52 BST (UK)  »
Agnes had the middle name Tough. This is not the same name as Rough so does not back up an assumption that her grandmother was called Ann Rough. Her sister was called Ann McIntosh Christie which does back up a possibility that her grandmother was called Ann McIntosh.If the James Christie who  died in 1862 in Perth was married to Helen Rae then he is unlikely to be the same James Christie who is showing as a widower in Airdrie in 1861. The one in Airdrie is definitely the James who was married to Jane Sherwood.

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