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Hi,
Just an update in case anyone with knowledge of the Shepherds/Gilpins reads this in the future!

I managed to find a CD containing the parish records I was looking for, so I've answered my own question. The entry is "William Shepherd and Marie Gilpin of Stricklandroger" - which sadly doesn't help very much. Almost every couple in the register is listed with only one place of residence, and judging by another relative of mine who got married the same year, this might just be the bride's pre-marital home. It did help to discount the 1607 & 1608 marriages for William, though.

On balance of probability I still suspect the Gilpin marriage is mine... Judging by my William's land purchases in the 1630s, his hearth tax entries & an extract from his 1676 inventory helpfully mentioned in an article about the hearth tax (http://goo.gl/uNPTbn), he was probably the only man of his name in the Kendal area prosperous enough to be married to a Gilpin daughter. Sadly neither he nor the other William who could have been Mary Gilpin's husband (William Shepherd of Strickland Roger father of Margaret bap.1619/20) seem to have left a surviving will. Mary's father's will from 1629, which could have solved this, also seems to have disappeared - although his widow refers to it, so it must once have existed. It does look like there are wills in the Lancashire Archives for a couple of Mary Gilpin's brothers-in-law dated c.1650, so maybe something will still turn up...
[Edit: I was wrong - William did leave a will after all! There's hope yet.]

Curiously, another researcher uploaded a tree to Genealogy.com back in 2002 that also makes my William the husband of Mary Gilpin: http://goo.gl/OWM02R. It lists six children: the four I have baptised at Kendal, plus Katherine from her grandmother Gilpin's will, plus a mysterious Alice. No sources or dates, so Alice could just be confused with Alice daughter of another William bap.1614 at Kendal, but the children listed for Mary's siblings do mostly look right. Shame I can't find a way to contact the tree owner to ask for their sources...

Hello,

[SHORTER QUESTION:]
Would anyone with access to full transcriptions/images for the Kendal parish registers from 1607-1616 possibly be able to check whether a spouse's place of residence (e.g. Patton, Strickland Roger or Strickland Ketel) is included for any of the following marriages? I've only managed to find baptism records for these years online. Thank you!

William Shepherd married Marie Gilpin, 27 April 1616
William Sheperd married Ellen Birkett, 29 May 1608
William Shipperd married Elizabeth Jininges, 14 Jun 1607

[FULL QUERY(!):]
I'm descended from a William Shepherd, yeoman of Field End, Patton, who had four children christened at Kendal in the early 1600s: Arthur bap. 15 Mar 1616/7, Elizabeth 1619, Martin 1626/7 and Lancelot 1631. He may also have had a son Anthony and daughter Katherine - but Arthur was the oldest surviving son, and inherited William's property.

William's father Arthur (probably bap.1561/2) had bought Field End from an Allan Gilpin in 1612/3, and the property seems to have been mortgaged in 1608/9 by a Bernard Gilpin, yeoman of Strickland Roger.

I suspect that my William Shepherd married Mary/Marie Gilpin (bap.1592/3), daughter of Martin Gilpin and Katherine Newby of Strickland Roger whose eldest son was a Bernard Gilpin (bap.1583/4). The marriage was 10-11 months before the baptism of William's first child; another of his sons was apparently named after Mary's father Martin; and he lived on land previously belonging to the Gilpin family.

I have a few doubts, though. Firstly, Mary's mother Katherine Gilpin and grandfather Richard Newby do mention her husband William Shepherd in their wills, but I don't think they record his place of residence, and William's only named child is a daughter Katherine (in Katherine's will in the early 1630s - I can't find her baptism). Martin Gilpin was also a member of the family who had been at Kentmere Hall since the 1200s, so when some of William Shepherd's descendants at Patton later became landed gentry and recorded a pedigree in Burke's, I would have expected them to mention the connection - which they don't. At least five separate William Shepherds had children baptised at Kendal in the early 1600s, and it's hard to tell them apart; almost all must have married before 1615, but a William Shepherd of Strickland Roger had a single child recorded, a daughter Margaret baptised in 1619/20 - too soon after one of the Patton baptisms to be one of mine.

Sorry for such a long post - but if anyone was able to help/advise, or stumbles across this at some point researching the same family, I would be very grateful to hear!

Very many thanks.
Ronan

Hi,
I’m looking for the parents/baptism of Phoebe Gleave, who was born c.1620-1640, probably around Lymm/Rostherne - though she later lived in Warrington and Great Budworth parishes. I know that this far back even surviving records can be almost illegible, but I’d like to fit her into the well-recorded Gleave clan of High Legh, so I’m still hopeful... (I’m just about to send off for the book about the family sold by the Cheshire FHS, but it would be great to hear from anyone else on here with possible connections.)

Phoebe’s first marriage was to Gilbert Dumvill/Domville (1623-1661), a draper/mercer of Warrington, on 15 Nov 1656 at St Elphin’s, Warrington. They had two children who died in infancy. After Gilbert’s death, Phoebe remarried on 18 Oct 1663 in Warrington to Richard Sandilands (c.1635-1712), a yeoman living in Crowley, 4 miles SW of High Legh and in Great Budworth parish. They had one surviving daughter – my ancestor, also called Phoebe – before Phoebe died shortly after giving birth to their second, short-lived child in July 1667.

It turns out that Gilbert Domville’s sister Mary (b.1621) also married a John Gleave, on 17 Jan 1649 in Lymm, and I’m hoping that this John was Phoebe’s brother. I’ve found a transcription of Gilbert Domville’s will, and in it he leaves money to Gilbert and Phoebe Gleave, children of his brother-in-law John Gleave of High Legh... It seems too much of a coincidence to have the name Phoebe Gleave appear twice in the Domvilles’ in-laws without them being related. I’ve found the young Gilbert Gleave’s baptism at Lymm in 1654 (there’s a possible match with a Gilbert who died in 1723 at High Legh), but nothing for the younger Phoebe either...

Sorry for the long message! If anyone stumbles across this with relevant info, I’d be very grateful for the help...

Thanks.
Ronan