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Agreed.

No answer from the other church so I won't hold my breath any longer.

Thanks for everyone's support and efforts. It was a difficult Ancestry with so many twists & turns and ambiguous at times, names and dates, either by mistake or intention.

There were so many clever people with great input.

Thanks everyone. ♥♥♥

I think your general assumption that people entering the Belvedere wouldn't come out alive is doubtful to say the least, what you don't know you don't know. The hospital (now gone) was in Parkhead, not the Calton.
  Paupers in that quarter of the city were buried in the Eastern Necropolis which had a contract from the Poor Inspector, these new cemeteries opened following the scandal of irregular burials during the cholera epidemic of the 1840's,

http://www.glasgowhistory.co.uk/Books/Tollcross&Dalbeth/TollcrossCHapters/BelvedereHosp.htm

http://archives.gla.ac.uk/gghb/collects/hb65.html

Skoosh.

Hi Skoosh,
When I was looking for the Belvidere Hospital I tried to find it on maps as close to 1871 when it could have been her when she entered the Belvidere. I wasn't able it get a map with an exact date.
The best one I could find that established exactly where it was is on the link below.▼

http://maps.nls.uk/view/74400475

It's a cracking 1912 Bartholomew survey and shows the hospital on the banks of the Clyde at the U-shape bend of the river. Parkhead above London Road. I looked for an earlier one now knowing where it was situated. Wikipedia gave some more information that it was originally - 'Belvidere Hospital, built on the Belvidere estate which extended from London Road to the river Clyde.'▼

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkhead

I looked for the Belvidere estate on an earlier map and I found it on an 1858 Ordnance Survey.
There it is right at the U-shape bend of the Clyde and on the banks - Low Belvidere & Belvidere Cottage with sprawling gardens south of the London road down the river Clyde.▼

http://maps.nls.uk/view/74427695

Written across it in large Capitals is CALTON. First ward. North of the London road is Parkhead.
That's why assumed it was in Calton. The map is 12 years before it's building. the other is 1912, 42 years after so it probably was originally Calton then changed at some stage as they do Parkhead.

http://maps.nls.uk/view/82891812

The above link ▲ is much later again 1935 showing a huge sprawling hospital which is then in the Parkhead Ward written across it. Nice map! Not a place I'd like to have visited however.

Thanks.

► I think the records from the Belvidere Infectious Diseases Hospital Calton hold the key to Jane Norval.

Isobel found an 1871 Census record for Jane Blair/Norval as a patient there see #331.
 
How many Jane Blair/Norval's could there be in the Calton area and who's name has a strong likelihood of connected to at least 2 houses of ill-repute and 2 assaults by the Madame's of such establishments and then assaulted by a James Blair Gordon, clerk - probably mistakenly written or given as no such person exists in the whole of Scottish births and deaths for that period range.

As stated before the Hospital opened in 1870. I feel it's definitely her. She's a highly likely candidate for infectious disease. When she entered that hospital like every hospital they would have taken down ALL her particulars including current address, next of kin, where they can be contacted, her job title etc, etc.

I also think she's not going to be coming out - alive. Catch a disease back then you're in big trouble. Tens of thousands of people died just from TB over those years. Penicillin wasn't discovered until 1928 - 57yrs later than her Census entry and there were no antibiotics either. The need for such a hospital in Calton speaks for itself. It was a substandard place just to be living amongst all the toxic industries and she is in one of the worst.

There's no death record of Jane Blair/Norval. Who has the money to bury her if she died in there which is highly likely or out of there even? No husband and her daughter has been married barely 2yrs. A likely Pauper's grave maybe even on the grounds if they had a burial lot. All that survives of Belvidere is a few crumbling brick walls that housed very sick patients most of whom would never leave.

Mr.Tough stated in his email reply to me that those records existed for that period. Not what was in them however so it could be finding a nugget of gold or fool's gold of just a name.

That's what I think happened to Jane/Blair Norval. 
Sad but I think true but I'm willing to wash off any egg that lands on my face.

*** Those records hold the key. They may even confirm that it's not her.

I have been away and the Blair hive has been exceptionally busy and much appreciated.
Some amazing people out there with great information. Thanks again.

JM I contacted that Ancestry person on the 4th April before posting here ... no reply as yet
so unlikely.

No word back from the 2 churches I contacted as yet either. I don't want to push them too
hard but I may ring down the track at some stage as I think they may have a few hidden gems.

I was contacted by that lady's daughter the other day through the usual way and she wanted
to know whatever happened to her Grandmother's brother who was gassed in France in WW1
and came home very sick and was looked after always at home.

Well I did some digging with an extraordinary result.
He never went to WW1. 
He joined the army to go and was medically fit but needed some dental work was all.
After a little over a months training here, he just walked out. First thing I noticed was in large
writing on his record he was marked a DESERTER. A warrant was issued for his arrest.

A bit more paperwork and evidence in his record of leaving AWOL but no record of his penalty.

More evidence of stories to protect people and for young ears not to find out.
Every family usually have them one way or the other. Family secrets.
'Don't say anything to the children their too young'. Correct.

One of my favourite of many favorite Uncle's I found out was actually my Cousin. 
Quite a shock when I found out when doing the Ancestry. Then found out how it came
about ... All good. He'll always be my Uncle.

I suspect H G BAMBER was a committed seafarer, for I think I have found him as a 3rd Mate as early as 1908.   The mariners website is an ongoing project of volunteers typing up passenger and crew lists from the images on the reels held by NSW State Archives.  There may be earlier lists available for transcribing. 

http://marinersandships.com.au/

H G BAMBER, 3rd Mate aged 26, of Liverpool on Hyson (home port of Liverpool) ,

Glasgow to Sydney 2 May 1908
http://marinersandships.com.au/1908/05/media/006hys.jpg

Brisbane to Sydney 18 May 1908.
http://marinersandships.com.au/1908/05/media/097hys.jpg


Trove seems to be having some hiccups at present, but I think it is showing that Hyson came via Albany in Western Australia, arriving there 12 April 1908. 

Perhaps H G BAMBER’s personal details were including in his Mates Ticket and associated paperwork. 

JM

Yes JM he became a Master of Foreign Going Ships in 1906 and had 1st & 2nd mate Certificates.
He was 5' 4" with blue eyes

I found them on Ancestry trees.