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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Searching Bridget Elizabeth Murphy
« on: Friday 24 February 17 00:02 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you Mathew, I will look into this.  Is this the Bridget who married a Mr Kennedy in Launceston when she arrived on the Maitland in 1854?  Going by Bridget Murphy who had her name down as Elizabeth Murphy when she placed her daughter Emma [called her Evaline] states she was 31 years.  I worked out her birth year possibly 1848.  I found a Bridget Murphy born to parents Patrick and Catherine Murphy in Richmond, Tasmania in 1846 and wondering if this is the Bridget that had the three children to Charles Bayley the whaler.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Searching Bridget Elizabeth Murphy
« on: Saturday 05 March 16 01:12 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Melanie,

What a wonderful surprise to know you are a descendant on the Gibton family tree.  I have not done a lot on the Gibton family as I have focused mainly on Bridget and Ellen Murphy.  It does seem strange on the passenger list that Bridget and Ellen are first listed as Gibton and in brackets (real name Murphy) and further down the list they are entered again as Bridget Murphy and Ellen Murphy (aka Gibton).  I wonder if Jeffery and Margaret had fostered Bridget and Ellen??
What I have is probably what you have on the Gibton family.
Jeffery Gibton was born Readesbarn, Killkenny, Ireland.  He married Margaret Marr 24 February 1833 St Peter's Dublin. Witness to the marriage were William Daly and Stephen Alcock. Both were living at Ranelagh Street, St Peters Dublin. Ireland. (ref Findmypast transcription and record) Jeffery died 19 April 1863.
Children of Jeffery and Margaret Gibton
1. Catherine b 1834, baptised in Milltown, Taney, Dublin, Ireland.
2. Margaret b 1835 baptised    (ibid)
3. Robert b 1837 baptised (ibid)
4. Julia b 1840 baptised (ibid)
5. Anne b 1842 baptised (ibid)
6. Jeffery b 1849 Louth, Ireland
7. William b 1852 Louth Ireland
Joseph b 1855 Tasmania Australia.
Catherine came later and married a someone by the name of Chisholm and she died in 1886 South Fitzroy, Victoria.
As far as I know the Gibton family lived in Launceston and around the northern part of Tasmania.
The main reason why I think this may be the Bridget I am searching for is one remark Dr Susan Chamberlian wrote on the paper she gave me is that a Mrs GIBTON senior was with a Bridget Murphy when she had her first child to Charles Bayley in 1870 in Elizabeth Street Hobart.  I am still looking through the references she has given me to find out IF this is the Bridget that came out on the Maitland with the Gibtons in 1854 to Hobart Town.  This Bridget went to work for a Mr Kennedy in Launceston for 12 months and her sister went to work for a Mr Dodery in Launceston for three months then she married a James Wall 17 April 1855 in Longford, Tasmania.  This Bridget would have been about 37-38 when she had her fist child Alfred Ernest Bayley b 1870.  He also died in the same year.  I am interested to hear more about the Gibton family Melanie.

Margaret was born 1783 and died 1881 in Launceston, Tasmania.
Julia

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Searching Bridget Elizabeth Murphy
« on: Tuesday 23 February 16 21:06 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Matthew that would be great.  Anything you can find on Bridget I would be most grateful. Yes, Susan would have to have all her facts correct to write it  in her thesis.  I will be catching up with Susan next week when she is in Hobart for the day.
Enjoy researching. :)

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Searching Bridget Elizabeth Murphy
« on: Saturday 20 February 16 02:07 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Matthew,

Susan who is my friend remembered she found a Mrs Gibton who was with Bridget Murphy while she had her children.  She could not remember where she had stored the information as there are numerous notes and files to go through which I am doing so this will take weeks before I find what I am looking for .  Anyhow on page 206 in Susan's book she has the family tree of the Bayley Family and Bridget Elizabeth Murphy is on it with the three children and their birth year.  I hope this helps Matthew. 

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Searching Bridget Elizabeth Murphy
« on: Friday 19 February 16 03:19 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Matthew, you will find the birth records of Bridget Murphy's three children on the Linc webpage Tasmanian State Library.  Once you are in click on 'Archives' and then click on Tasmanian Names Index and put in the person's name top of the bar and all the records on Bridget Murphy will come up and some that are not related but the three children's birth records will appear.  To look through Susan Chamberlain's Book, there is a copy at the Maritime Museum along with piles of notes and files which I am slowly going through.  I will be visiting the Maritime Museum this coming Monday if you would like to meet up and I can show you what I have.  I will be upstairs in the Archive room for staff.  I can let the volunteer staff know of you visit and let the curator know also.  It would be great to meet up and compare our notes. Sharon

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Searching Bridget Elizabeth Murphy
« on: Thursday 18 February 16 01:10 GMT (UK)  »
Wow Matthew that is opening a 'Pandora Box'.  I have not come across an Evaline Emily born 14 Sept 1970.  I have birth records of three Children born to Charles Bayley
Albert Ernest Bayley b 11th January 1870 father and mother are listed on all records. Albert died as Albert Ernest Murphy 17 Feb 1870 5 weeks old. Just states that he was a seaman's child. I can't see how Evaline Emily would have been born same year unless Bridget fell pregnant again very quickly.
Next Child was Emma Gertrude Bayley born 14 September 1871.
Henrietta Bayley born 14 June 1873.  I found a death record for a Henrietta Murphy died in Liverpool Street, Hobart Town 18 Dec 1873 aged 11months .  This does not fit in with the birth date of Henrietta Bayley and the death date of Henrietta Murphy.

My Bridget I have been researching is older than the one you have been researching.  Do you have birth records for Evaline Emily?  I have come across a few Bridget Murphy's living at the same time as my Bridget although they are younger than the Bridget I have been researching. 
The clue that gave me the incentive to research Bridget Elizabeth Murphy b 1834 Kilkenny, Ireland is that at the time of her giving birth to Albert and Emma in Elizabeth Street, Hobart, showed a Mrs Gibton senior was with her at the time.  I started to look at the Gibton family and found that they came to Hobart Town on the Maitland Ship 16 September 1854 with a Bridget Elizabeth Murphy (named Gibton) and further down the passenger list I found Bridget Elizabeth Murphy and her sister Ellen Murphy (beside their name Aka Gibton).  It was from here I began my research.  The next follow up was that this Bridget Murphy went to work for a Mr Kennedy in Launceston for 12 months as she came out under the Indenture System.  Her sister Ellen went to work for a Mr Dodery in Launceston for three months then married a James Wall 17 April 1855.  The next information I find is the inquest of the child that Bridget was a witness.  At this stage Matthew I was not really sure if this was my Bridget or another, as she was described as a 'girl'.  Bridget would have been about 32 and I would imagine she would not have been referred to as a 'girl' at that age.  Having the birth records of the three children, I have been trying all avenues to see what happened to Bridget who worked for a Mr Kennedy until she gave birth to her children?  It could be possible that the Bridget at the inquest could be Charles Bridget.  Yes Charles Bayley was very well regarded in society and a great whaler of his time and during his retirement from whaling in 1860 he ran his business from New Wharf in Hobart as part ship owner, ship builder and other business dealings; he was a wealthy man.  When he died 20 January 1875 he left his house Runnymede and everything else to his brother James Bayley.  I have great interest in the house Runnymede and all its history hence the reason why I want to do more research.  I shall look into the places you have suggested Matthew.  Thankyou for your input to this 'interesting challenge' to find the 'right' Bridget. Sharon

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Searching Bridget Elizabeth Murphy
« on: Wednesday 17 February 16 04:56 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Wivenhoe,

The Bridget I have been researching is the Bridget Elizabeth Murphy aged 20 at the time when she arrived on the Maitland ship 16 September 1854 to Hobart Town with her sister Ellen aged 19 and the Gibton family.  It was this Bridget that I believed to be the mother of the three children to Charles Bayley.  She would have been about 36 when she had her first child in 1870.  The reason why I believed her to be the Bridget I was looking for, is her connection to the Gibton family, being that a Mrs Gibton Senior was with her while she had her children in Elizabeth Street.  With the other 'Bridget' I was beginning to wonder if I had the 'wrong' Bridget Murphy; after all, there are so many Bridget Murphy's around that time.  I am keeping 'open minded' to explore other avenues, but my feeling is perhaps the 'original' Bridget Elizabeth Murphy I have been searching for maybe the one.  I was wondering Wivenhoe do you have  information on the Gibton family? Sharon :)

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Searching Bridget Elizabeth Murphy
« on: Tuesday 16 February 16 04:03 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for your help Wivenhoe and Debra.  I can understand why you want to know how I am getting my information but I can reassure you that my information comes from news articles found in Trove, and old newspapers, and from what I find in Linc Tas State Library.  I go into the Archives section then type a name in the 'Tasmanian name index' to see what I can find and it also takes me to articles of interest.  Other avenues have been through Findmypast, Heritage, the Diggers Index, Ancestry and looking through Archive library books.
It is true to say Wivenhoe that Bridget was 20 years when she arrived in Hobart 16 September 1854 on the Maitland ship.(Tasmanian Genealogy Mailing list-Tasmanian Immigrant Ships).  This is the Bridget I simply have been following as it was mentioned that she came with the Gibton family. Through her research Dr Susan Chamberlian came across the three children born to a Bridget Elizabeth Murphy in Elizabeth Street and a Mrs Gibton senior was with her at the time. The father's name is stated as Charles Bayley Mariner.  I have looked into the Gibton family through Linc Tasmanian State Library under Tasmanian Index to get some idea where Bridget and her sister Ellen went.  I found through Linc that Bridget was to work for a Mr Kennedy in Launceston for 12 months.  Ellen went to work for a Mr Dodery for three months and married a James Wall 17 April 1855.  Next I see a Bridget Murphy (going by the news article Trove: The Mercury Hobart (Hobart Tasmania 1860-1954; Thursday 22nd February 1866 p.3) Where a Bridget Murphy gives evidence at a baby's inquest.  I agree, she would have been in her 30s by now and would not be described as a 'girl'.  It is quite possible that I could have been following the 'wrong' Bridget being that it is such a common name and there were many of the same name during this period.  Researching a particular person or family, is not an easy task and there are often many 'brick walls' to break.  It is important to keep an 'open mind' until it is certain with birth/marriage/death records/certificates and news articles tell us otherwise.  I have found another Bridget Murphy aged in her 20s in this news article again found in Trove: City Police Court, Wednesday 31st March, 1873 where a Bridget Murphy was found having on the 11th March guilty of using abusive language to 'him' (no name of the man) in Collins Street, and spitting on him.  It was shown that she had done this to him several times all because he had stopped payments which he previously paid through a constable of law.  This could be a 'possible' Bridget?  The records of the birth of three children you can find under the Names Index Tasmanian Archives through LINC.  I know this is going to be a long journey to find my Bridget so I shall keep on keeping on until some 'light' shines on 'what could be my Bridget". Thanks for your help :)

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Searching Bridget Elizabeth Murphy
« on: Tuesday 16 February 16 00:00 GMT (UK)  »
The information I started off was from my friend who did her research on 'Hobart Whaling Industry' for her thesis in 1982-1988 when the book was published by Latrobe university.  A copy of Susan Chamberlain's thesis is in the Maritime Museum Hobart along with all her notes, files and indexes that I am slowly going through at present time, and it was Susan who found Bridget Elizabeth Murphy's three children she had to Charles Bayley mariner in Hobart.  On the Children's birth records it states where the children were born, their dates and who their parents are and it has Bridget's middle name as Elizabeth.  During Susan's research on this family, she found that a Mrs Gibton was with Bridget Elizabeth Murphy at the birth of her children in Elizabeth Street, Hobart but not at the birth of her third Child born in Campbell Street, Hobart 1873. Two of Bridget's children died: Albert Ernest Bayley 1870 and not sure if it was Henrietta or Emma.  There is a Henrietta Bayley who died in 1873 at age 11 months.  I am not sure if this is the same Henrietta as Henrietta Bayley as she would have only been a few months old.  I am still researching on this child as I do realise dates can be different at death and both children are buried as Albert and Henrietta Murphy not Bayley as the parents were never married. I do appreciate any updates on this family 'brick wall'.

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