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Kent / Re: 1921 boarding schools in Margate?
« on: Friday 21 January 22 20:20 GMT (UK)  »
Solved!  Someone kindly looked up Agnes Mary Hayden when at the Kew Archives today, and yes, she was matron and housekeeper at 'Margate College Preparatory', 19 Hawley Square, Margate.  She was head of the household consisting of teachers and domestic staff, but again, the address was not shown for the premises.  Very odd.

Thanks for all your suggestions, Rootschatters.

Kent / Re: 1921 boarding schools in Margate?
« on: Tuesday 18 January 22 22:19 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for that tip re 1911.

When I'm back at a place where I can view the 1921 census again free, I will certainly be looking for her!

Kent / Re: 1921 boarding schools in Margate?
« on: Tuesday 18 January 22 21:31 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks.  It's so frustrating that there is no address, name of institution or list of adults that might give a clue.

Looking at the link to the 1881 census for this school, they were all 12+, whereas this list of boys was of younger children.

It could remain a mystery until I can view the census records as a whole, which I suppose is a year or so away.

Kent / Re: 1921 boarding schools in Margate?
« on: Tuesday 18 January 22 19:54 GMT (UK)  »
The next step is Kelly's etc I think.

Kent / Re: 1921 boarding schools in Margate?
« on: Tuesday 18 January 22 19:50 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks bearcat.  Phew, a long list. I think I need to search for Agnes Mary Hayden in newspapers I think, as the censuses etc below don't help much (but thanks Millmoor). I'll look up Godwin College next.

In 1901 she is a visitor to a household in West Malling, Kent, with no occupation listed, 25 years old, born West Hanningfield, Essex.

In 1911, there's an Agnes May (could be Mary or May looking at the handwriting) Hayden, single, 35 (so born abt 1876) housekeeper in Margate, in 21 Harold (?) Rd, in St John the Baptist parish, born in West Hanningfield, Essex, with Willis Duncan 12 yr old born London, 'son' crossed out and rewritten on a new line with what looks like 'change' or 'charge'.  Perhaps a carer, or the child was adopted or fostered?

1939 reg has an Agnes M Hayden in Bournemouth Rd, Folkestone born 1876.  Incapacitated.

1942 died, a spinster, 66, at Hill House, Lyminge. Possible address Dover Rd, Folkestone. Buried Hawkinge, Folkestone.

Kent / Re: 1921 boarding schools in Margate?
« on: Tuesday 18 January 22 19:01 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Alan for that.  Wonder if a place for youngish children would be called a college though?  It is odd that there are no staff on the census return, whatever the establishment was.  It's a bit like Lord of the Flies isn't it.  Just children.

Kent / Re: 1921 boarding schools in Margate?
« on: Tuesday 18 January 22 16:55 GMT (UK)  »
The return came under the parish of Margate St John the Baptist (part of) and enumeration district 11 (is that eleven or Roman numerals for 2?) if that helps.  Also the return was signed by Agnes Mary Hayden on page 3.  However the boys were listed alphabetically on the three pages, and entry no. 40 on the last page had a surname beginning with S.  I wonder if page 4 is missing from this search result as it seems likely that there would have been some surnames between S and Z for boarders.

Next time I'll search for Agnes in the census to see what pops up.  That might answer my question.

And look in the newspaper archives - at least I can do that locally rather than visiting a 1921 census library!

Kent / 1921 boarding schools in Margate?
« on: Tuesday 18 January 22 16:35 GMT (UK)  »
I've been looking at the 1921 census for an 8 year old and found him listed with about 40 other boys around 4-10, all boarders, in Margate.

Helpfully, the address on the form says Margate.  Sigh.

I looked at the plan of divisions and could see Margate College on the list, but found that to be a different census return altogether.

Does anyone know what other schools there might be with boarders?  The return was odd because there were only children so where were the adults?  I was on limited time on a library computer but I suppose there is a way to explore census returns for premises on either side.  Once it becomes browsable we'll be able to look at adjoining returns but I couldn't do that today.  I could only scroll between associated images for my search.

Most boys had both parents alive, and most were born in Middlesex, with the odd outlier - Sweden, India. 

A quick Google reveals a Margate school for the deaf and perhaps this was it?

London and Middlesex / Re: William A E Wayland widows and probate
« on: Wednesday 29 December 21 14:35 GMT (UK)  »
So now I can see Joseph Henry Wynn's birth record in Spilsby with MMN Foster, so it's looking like Betsy was born before her mother Caroline married Mr Winn.  I can't find a Betsy Foster birth record unless it's the one in Lincoln, which shows MMN as Rawlinson, which doesn't help.  But there's always Bessie, Betsey and Winn/Wynn permutations to look for too.

Re Wayland, he may well have been upright and visiting the two children in the workhouse as a benefactor on behalf of Annie Campbell's sister Kate and her husband Norman Smith, who fostered the third child at their home in Nottinghamshire.  Wayland was an industrial chemist and had Freemasonry and probably industry connections with Norman Smith's brother-in-law, an industrial chemist in Bristol (his name was Butler) and possibly the Smith family themselves who were industrialists and inventors.  Wayland also acted on behalf of one of the Smith's sons who was an executor for another of Annie's sisters, Maud, but working overseas when she died. 

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