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Ireland / Re: Need help finding Charles Joseph Sargent possibly born in Ireland
« on: Friday 24 November 17 20:37 GMT (UK)  »
As a possibility, there is a Charles Sargent in overseas military records at Jullundur, Punjab, India at 1911, birth noted as 1884 St Catherine, Dublin.

Hi, apologies for the late reply. I am sure this is my great grandfather, he was serving in Jullundur at this time. I would be very grateful if you could tell me where I can find this information/record?

Thank you!

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Ireland / Re: Need help finding Charles Joseph Sargent possibly born in Ireland
« on: Saturday 28 January 17 13:30 GMT (UK)  »
Hey everyone, I'm overwhelmed with the help so thank you. Your ideas give me a lot to research and think about that I hadn't before :)

Also, what records/when Charles used each version of his name?

In his marriage certificate and all electoral rolls he used Charles Joseph Sargent so from 1924-1953. I only discovered the second name when I ordered his full death certificate. This seems to be the only mention of the name, I have a feeling it could be his birth name and he changed it to Charles. There was a William Joseph Sargent born in South Dublin in 1886 but it's only a text record (Irish Birth Index) and I'm unsure of how to proceed in finding more information about this.

Going back to the William Augustus Sargent of the Army records having been discharged in 1869 and saying he would be residing in Stepney, London, have you researched this birth of a William Augustus Sargent in Mile End Old Town (which I believe was part of Stepney), London in 1893 in case of any links back to the 'army' William?:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2F9K-NZB

I haven't seen this before but thank you. I will definitely get researching this.

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Ireland / Re: Need help finding Charles Joseph Sargent possibly born in Ireland
« on: Friday 27 January 17 22:49 GMT (UK)  »
There's a C.S. (male) age 14, Roman Catholic, born Dublin City, in 1901 census. Quite possibly not him but would be worth making a note of him for now (people in institutions are listed under initials).
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Castleknock/Cabragh/1268764
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/DublinNorth/

Thank you, this may be useful!

Alexandra195, 
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William is 100% my 2x great grandfather
unfortunately, whilst you know it to be 100% certain that the father was listed as William Augustus Sargent and that the occupation was listed as Assistant Director, Royal College Surgeons Ireland, until you have proof that corroborates this, you cannot be 100% certain that these were true facts.

It is highly probable that no one would have checked the information given by Charles for his marriage, and so it is not impossible that he was either (a) not totally truthful or (b) gave information he believed to be true, but which may not have actually been so.

You refer to Army records for a William Augustus Sargent. Do you have anything else to connect that William with your Charles? He would have been c 59 yrs old at time of your chaps birth. Not impossible, but quite old.

It’s true that the age gap has left me puzzled although the evidence seems to match too well. My Grandad was also called William Augustus Sargent (1927-2012) and was born in Manchester before moving to Birmingham almost instantly and he always insisted he was Irish. So Charles named his only son exactly after his father according to the marriage certificate. Doing record searches of William's seems to bring virtually nothing back apart from these 2 people

The only other evidence that links the army records is he was in the ‘Royal Army Medical Corps’ for 9 years. And both the marriage and the army records mention Dublin. I guess this really is a tough one to crack so I’m going by strong coincidence  ::)

You're right though, I guess my main hope is contacting RCSI archives about this. Thanks for your help!

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Ireland / Re: Need help finding Charles Joseph Sargent possibly born in Ireland
« on: Friday 27 January 17 21:22 GMT (UK)  »
What is Charles occupation on the 1924 marriage cert?

Does his age on the marriage cert correspond to around 1887?

Hi there, thanks for replying, I don't have the certificate with me now so I don't recall the occupation. But me and my sister did the math and it gave us 1887 also.

Have you found Charles himself in any census records? If so, what's listed for his place of birth?

The first complete census for Ireland in 1901. It and 1911 are online free -
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/

Any idea what religion Charles would have been?

Thanks for replying, I can't find him on any census at all. It seems he moved from Manchester to Birmingham after his Marriage in 1824, from then onwards I know his whereabouts. I've looked at electoral rolls and census records in 1901 and 1911 in Manchester before this and can't find a trace! :( I'm guessing he moved around a lot.

Also that line of my family are catholic.

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Ireland / Need help finding Charles Joseph Sargent possibly born in Ireland
« on: Friday 27 January 17 20:08 GMT (UK)  »
Hello all, I have been searching for over year and I cannot found an exact date or place of birth for my great grandfather Charles Joseph Sargent who has Irish roots. I was hoping for some help.

His death certificate puts his birth in 1887 but that’s all I have. He died in 1950’s Birmingham, UK and was married to Elizabeth Sarah Gardner, I know this to be 100% correct – In their ordered marriage certificate Charles’ father is listed as ‘William Augustus Sargent’ (A unique name) with the fathers occupation: ‘Assistant director of the Royal College Of Surgeons in Ireland’

This comes as no surprise as we knew this line had Irish roots and William is 100% my 2x great grandfather. The only records of William Augustus Sargent I have found to exist are army pension records which state he was born in Dublin in 1828 and intended to live in Stepney, London after his Army discharge.

That said, I still can’t find his son, Charles’ birth anywhere or a single census with him in– In Irish records or English. But I know these 3 facts:

1)   In his marriage certificate to Elizabeth in Prestwich Manchester, Charles' residence is listed as Cheetham, Manchester.
2)   In his death certificate his name is Charles Joseph Sargent ALSO KNOWN AS William Joseph Sargent (still can’t find birth records in this name though)
3)   He does not appear in the 1939 register with the rest of the household, even though I know he was still alive.

So could people advise me on how to find his DOB/Place of birth or possibly assist in a search.. I would be so grateful as I’ve been searching for so long on these two people, thank you.

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Wiltshire / Re: LAWRENCE - Wooton Basset
« on: Friday 22 January 16 21:09 GMT (UK)  »
Hi. I am Henry Lawrence's granddaughter Sue. I don't have a lot of info about him, a few photos, and I would be interested to know more about him.  Please can you share what you have.

Hope to hear from anyone soon.

Regards

Sue

Hello, is there any chance you could post these images? I would be very grateful. Thank you!

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Wiltshire / Re: LAWRENCE - Wooton Basset
« on: Friday 22 January 16 20:46 GMT (UK)  »
Hello all, I believe Henry Lawrence (about 1849) could be my 3rd Great Grandfather. Hopefully it is the same person from my research, his son Alfred Henry James Lawrence of Wiltshire (1880 - 1957) is my great great grandfather (confirmed) I have found evidence of this Henry being an Innkeeper of the "Cross Keys Inn" In Wiltshire.

Here is an interesting website I found on the pub: http://pubshistory.com/Wiltshire/WoottonBassett/CrossKeysInn.shtml

Mary Scott is my 3rd great aunt and Thomas Scott is her husband, so it's very likely this is the same person.

I have a huge box of old photos belonging to my grandmother. They have no names or labels on and she recently passed so I can't tell who anyone is. If anyone still uses this website and has confirmed photos of Henry, please could you post one so I can identify Henry possibly in these photos? I am happy to share mine too.

If anyone would like any information on Alfred's family then please message me, I'm glad to help.

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