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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Phoebe Aston - Name before marriage.
« on: Sunday 12 November 17 16:54 GMT (UK)  »
Hi. I would like to thank everyone that has responded to my post re: Phoebe Aston and all the information and help that I have received. Rootschat is a fantastic website. I guessed that Richard Aston had died when very young. This has now been confirmed for me. I also found  the marriage of Phoebe Hartshorn Cheshire, aged 17 to John Aston, aged 30 in Wolverhampton in 1848. This confused me since John Aston was born in 1829 which would have made his age 19 not 30. Maybe he changed his age for the Census's records. Was it ok for girls of 17 to get married in 1848? I also didn't understand the name Hartshorn after Phoebes name but this also has been explained now.
  Thanks again for all the help. Tramore.

Family History Beginners Board / Phoebe Aston - Name before marriage.
« on: Saturday 11 November 17 20:37 GMT (UK)  »
Can anybody help me find the premarriage surname for Phoebe Aston born 1831 and married to John Aston as shown in the 1871 Census with a daughter Elizabeth Aston aged 10. There are no details for the 1861 Census and the 1851 Census shows John and Phoebe Aston with a son Richard Aston aged 1 as lodgers in the Cheshire family in Wolverhampton. I cannot find any trace of Phoebe before this and would like to trace her family back before she married John Aston because Elizabeth Aston was the mother of my grandfather Thomas Bacon.

I would like to thank Mabel, groom and Dawnsh. The three people that replied to my post yesterday concerning my mother Eva Bacon and the Victoria Club for Ladies. To answer groom and Dawnsh first my sister and I are carrying out the research and it was at the Westminster Archives that we first checked the electoral roll which confirmed that after getting married in April 1939 she was staying with our father in Cumberland Street, Westminster. The 1939 register showed she had moved to our fathers home in York whilst our father had rejoined the Coldstream guards in Westminster again ready for war.
I would like to say a special thanks to Mabel.Very briefly my sister had researched my mother up to 1936 when she had worked at Parham House for the Pearson Family as a kitchen maid. We didn't know where she had gone to from there except to end up on the electoral roll in 1939 when married. My sister had found an address in one of my mothers recipe books showing 9 Halkin Street, Westminster and she also found entries in my mother's post office book for the same area. That is why we checked the rate books for 1937-38 for 9 Halkin St. and came up with the Victoria Club for Ladies. We assumed that it was a kind of 'hostel' for single working girls in London but could find nothing to confirm this. As you say Mabel she was probably working and staying there since the help lived in at that time. ( Her wages were 60 per year plus keep ) our mother was most certainly not a guest! Lol. She was the daughter of a miner from the midlands.

I wonder if anybody has heard of the above club please. I am researching my mother, Eva Bacon when she was single and working in Westminster, London as a domestic servant during the years 1937 to April 1939 when she got married. I am pretty certain that she stayed at the address of 9 Halkin Street, Westminster. I have been to the LMA and found in the rate books for 1938 that the Victoria Club for Ladies Ltd had paid the rates during that time.
 I looked online for any information I could find for the Victoria Club for Ladies but couldn't find anything satisfactory. I assumed that the club offered board for single girls at the time working in the area to 9 Halkin Street and just wanted to confirm it.
In 1946 9 Halkin Steet was taken over by the Royal Calaedonian Club for Scottish people in London.
I wondered if anybody out there could help me with any information or where to find it for the Victoria Club for Ladies, 9 Halkin Street, Westminster, London in 1938. Thank you.

Hi CaroleW. Thanks very much for4 your reply. Yes I only checked the records in Wolverhampton Records office yesterday, Thursday. Thomas's father had been put in prison for two months for assault. Thomas, his sister Hannah and his younger brother, William were moved into The Cottage Homes the day he was put in prison and then all three children were collected by their father the day he came out of prison according to the records. So their stay in the Cottage homes was only a brief two months.
     I am trying to establish what happened after they were released. I have reason to believe that Thomas at least went to live with the travelling Fair relations from his dead mother's side. Her name had been Elizabeth Aston before she was married.
Once again thanks for your help.

I wonder if anybody might be help me please. I am trying to trace the whereabouts of my grandfather, Thomas Bacon born 1889 after being in Wednesfield Cottage Homes in 1901 for a brief period. His father, Joseph Bacon born in 1862 married Elizabeth Aston, born 1859 who had died in July 1898 when Thomas was 11 years old. I now know that from the 1881 Census that Elizabeth Aston lived with her mother Phoebe in Wolverhampton and that their occupation was decsribed as Hawkers(Fair). I have a feeling that Thomas after being in the Wednesfield Cottage homes stayed with relations of his mother, Elizabeth Aston probably travelling to Fairs etc.
    I was wondering if anybody from his mothers side could help me with Thomas Bacon's whereabouts from 1901 up to he got married in 1911. Thanks.

Thanks very much for all the information and appreciate your help.
You have given me a great start.

Hi Spendlove. Thanks very much for your reply and help. I appreciate it. I can start looking where you suggest.
I just wondered if any body out there had actually researched records themselves in person for the Cottage Homes Institution, Wednesfield and Stafford Prison and would have had experience of where to look and contact that they could pass on.
Thanks again.

Hi, I wonder if anybody can help me please in researching where to look for records showing inmates at the above two places.
I live in Ireland and I plan to come over to the UK shortly to try and look for records of inmates.
Members of Rootschat have already helped me with information about my grandfather, Thomas Bacon, born in Woverhampton in 1890. When he was 9yrs old following the death of his mother he was placed in the Cottage Homes Institution at Wednesfield, Staffs. I would like to see when he left the Institution.
Could anybody help me as to where to look for this information please.
His father, Joseph Bacon was listed as being in H.M. Prison Stafford at this time (1901) and again I wonder if anybody can help me as to where to look for records of the prison inmates etc. at this time.
Thanks very much. Tramore.

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