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Someone called Liz Taylor from Mokine Western Australia has posted this on the Facebook page 'Hull: The good old days' on March 1, 2024. It's a piece of embroidery by Elsa Uebel dated 1909.

Thanks Rosie. I can't see the wood for the trees. I have been scrabbling about trying to find a birth certificate.

This stacks up as the witnesses are his elder brother Henry (Rubins) Kemp and his wife Sophia Robinson, who were married earlier.

If you have any other background or history on this line, I would be very grateful.

This is interesting. I read the Kent New Romney Dragoons history too. I had assumed my 4 x great grandfather was a regular, not a fencible, but I cannot find any records on Findmypast. I have also tried various spellings of John Foreman but have come up with nothing.

I therefore think he was in the New Romney Fencibles, as he was born in the New Romney area (Burmash), with the New Romney Fencibles possibly stationed in Beverley East Yorkshire - or somewhere not too far away. I think East Yorkshire has a strong connection with dragoons but I am no military historian.

Also, around 1800, things were still quite hairy from a military point of view so I understand the fencibles would have been stationed all over the country. 

"For most, 1800 was a terrible year, hardly enlivened by the visit of the Russian general, Arbeneff, and his inspection of the huge militia force which was still thought necessary to keep in Hull ---- the third West York Militia, the East Sussex Militia and the Sussex Fencible Cavalry."  - P 238 A History of Hull by Edward Gillett and Kenneth A. MacMahon, Hull University Press, 1980 ISBN 0 85958 448 8.

My father appears to have a strong DNA link to someone called Franklin in Canada. This person claims his ancestry back to Richard Franklin (born March 18, 1832) in Barrow on Humber, but there is nothing on findmypast.com. Apparently he married an Mary Ann Turner in Ontario.

My father is from the Hull area and his Kemp line comes from near Spilsby in Lincolnshire.

It's all a bit of a mess. The link is quite strong, a 4th-6th cousin marked as High Confidence by Ancestry.

Unfortunately Franklin is also quite a common name in the Spilsby area. And, to make matters more complicated, my great great grandfather Kemp - who was from Spilsby - married a woman called Turner.

So the link could be via any of these routes, and the names are quite common.

I'm confident of the Kemp male line back to Spilsby as we have DNA links relatives in the US via Spilsby Kemps.

So I'm trying to figure whether the Franklins of Barrow on Humber entered my father's line through his mother's family - which is Rhodes and Owen. One of the Owens, a James Owen, lived in Clee in 1851. He was a master mariner. He married a lady called Morris.

Regards Robert Kemp