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Sussex Lookup Requests / Re: William Ayling, Greatham
« on: Saturday 01 April 23 00:40 BST (UK)  »
Correction to the ancestor in common to all AYLING YDNA testers: Thomas Aylyng recorded in Easebourne, West Sussex in 1381 is the likely fellow. Great great grandson of Richard Ayling living in Heyshott in 1296 AD.

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Herts Completed Lookup Requests / Re: David AYLING - Baptism Record
« on: Friday 27 August 21 21:31 BST (UK)  »
The entire line is on my Ancestry tree called "Aylings of Walberton, Sussex Family Tree". Annie's parents were Henry "Harry" Thomas Ayling (1861-1931) and Kate Pratt. The lines can be reliably traced via the parish records to William Ayling, deceased in Yapton in 1809. He was probably born around the 1740's (based on the longevity of his descendants). Harry's father was William Ayling, born 1822 in Walberton, West Sussex.

While we aren't sure exactly how all Aylings connect, YDNA testing of 11 Ayling men (so far) with ancestors in Iping, Stedham, Lodsworth, Graffham, Woolavington (now called East Lavington), South Stoke, Houghton and Walberton to at least the 1700's confirm we all descend from the same man. I believe he was Thomas Aylyng, noted in a tax document for Easebourne in 1379. His father was William Aylyng, whom I believe was the grandson of Richard Aylyng, one of the first men to record that surname in the 1296 Tax Subsidy for Heyshott, West Sussex.

The surname derives from Hayling Island (not aetheling as I have seen expressed via other web sites). YDNA testing confirms were are Anglo-Saxon in origin, and Hayling Island is presumably where we settled post Roman period. The Island eroded significantly in the 1000AD or so period, so we can imagine Ayling groups migrating up into Hampshire and West Sussex and retaining a memory of their origins. In fact the 1296 Subsidy for West Sussex includes men listed as "de Hayling" living in the same areas where the Aylings eventually settle --the bulls-eye center of their homelands being the parishes around Easebourne. The Haylyng surname disappears and only Ayling (and Aylwin) remain.

Bettesworth is a strong West Sussex name with many family groups. There are some earlier marriages of Ayling to Bettesworth, notably via William Ayling (1605-1671) whose family held Ash House in Stedham for over 200 years.

There is no near-term connection between the Ayling of Petersfield, Hampshire (of which David Ayling on this message string refers) within parish record keeping timeframes. The ancestor-in-common of the West Sussex and Hampshire groups probably resides in the 1300's.

Check out aylinghistory.net

Also if you are on Facebook "Ayling & Aylwin Family History group".

Cheers,

Chris Ayling, Canada
(descendant of William Ayling D. 1690 of Woolavington)

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Sussex Lookup Requests / Re: William Ayling, Greatham
« on: Monday 24 May 21 18:01 BST (UK)  »
Just to close this message string out for anyone who comes across it in future.

William Ayling was born 1769 in Woolavington and deceased in 1855 in Worthing. He was the son of Thomas Ayling (1738-1820) born in Graffham and deceased at Norwood Farm in Woolavington. Autosomal testing of about a dozen descendants confirms this assessment. Even more conclusively, YDNA testing of me and a descendant of William confirms Thomas was our 5th great grandfather. This assessment is rock solid. I descend from William's brother James Ayling (1775-1860), born in Woolavington and deceased in Brighton (but returned to East Dean for burial where his wife Mary was buried).

See "Aylings of Graffham/Woolavington, West Sussex" tree on Ancestry for the family lines back to Richard Aylyng, of Heyshott, one of the first men to have the surname recorded in a tax document. He was probably born somewhere around 1250 AD.

Since my original post above, I've since done extensive research on the Ayling (and Aylwin) surname, including compiling the records for all parishes in West Sussex, Hampshire and West Surrey. I have recently compiled transcripts of all Ayling (and Aylwin ) Wills and Administrations, of which there are nearly 500, as well as over 100 Estate Inventories. All of the above has allowed me to figure out where most families originated and how they connect.

YDNA testing of 11 Ayling men (as of spring 2021), with West Sussex ancestors in Iping, Stedham, Lodsworth, Graffham, Woolavington, South Stoke, Houghton, Walberton and Worthing, confirms we share essentially the same Y chromosome --and that we therefore descend from the same man. In assessing the minor differences in our YDNA signatures against known genealogy, I am fairly confident our ancestor-in-common was John Aylyng (D. 1511) deceased at Bramshott, Hampshire. He may have been the person recorded as the Reeve of Droxford Manor, Hants in the late 1400's.

To see the above research check out aylinghistory.net

Cheers,

Chris Ayling
Canada

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Sussex Lookup Requests / Re: Ayling
« on: Monday 02 September 19 02:59 BST (UK)  »
Old post but for what it's worth, if you are on Ancestry, check out "Aylings of Boxgrove, Sussex Family Tree" which has George's entire line. We can trace things back to a John Ayling born about 1742 (based on his DOB listed on his Boxgrove burial in 1816). Could be any of these:

BURPHAM
24/01/1740 John William Not given AYLING

KIRDFORD
18/05/1740 John William Not given ALWYN

BIGNOR
11/06/1742 John John Mary AYLING

OVING
18/04/1742 John John Elisabeth AYLING from Colworth

SELHAM
20/03/1743 John Thomas Not given AYLING

STEDHAM
04/03/1743 John William Anne AYLING
and
25/01/1743 John Jeremiah Mary AYLING

WEST DEAN
17/04/1743 John John Martha AYLWIN

COCKING
06/01/1744 John Thomas Ann AYLING

My folks are not exactly from this group (in Graffham), although I suspect we have a shared ancestor in the 1600's.

YDNA testing of 10 (so far) Ayling men with ancestors in various parishes in West Sussex has shown that we all have nearly identical Y chromosomes. We are the great, great, great etc grandsons of the same man. Comparing mutational differences in our YDNA predicts that person was born around the mid 1500's.

Chris Ayling
Canada

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Hampshire & Isle of Wight / Re: Ayling family
« on: Sunday 21 July 19 16:24 BST (UK)  »
William Ayling (1767-1855) was born in Graffham, not Greatham, West Sussex, son of Thomas Ayling (1738-1820). Confirmed via YDNA testing. One of William's male descendants and I both tested and we match consistent with my confirmed ancestor James Ayling (1775-1860) and William being brothers. My research confirming my 5X great grandfather James was also confirmed via YDNA matches with two other of his descendants.

Mystery solved :)

Chris Ayling

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Sussex Lookup Requests / Re: Greatham, Sussex.
« on: Saturday 22 September 18 04:22 BST (UK)  »
I have an autosomal DNA match with a descendant of William Ayling via his granddaughter Caroline Ayling (B. 1844). This puzzled me because I did not see a link between my Ayling ancestors (in the Graffham/Woolavington area) and the Aylings of Broadwater/Worthing.

In the 1851 census William says he was born about 1767 and from Greatham. I thought this might have been transcribed in error for Graffham. And there is a William born there in 1767...but he is deceased in 1767. However, there is a William Ayling born in 1766 in nearby Woolavington. There was a lot of movement between Graffham and Woolavington for Ayling families. For example, my 6X great grandfather James Ayling (1774-1860) was born in Woolavington. His father Thomas Ayling (1738-1820) was from Graffham. James' son John Ayling (1804-1890) raises his family in Graffham.

So what I am saying is that perhaps William Ayling of "Greatham" was the son of Thomas Ayling (1738-1820) of Graffham, brother to my 6X great grandfather James Ayling (1774-1860). If so, this other person and I would share about .7% of autosomal DNA from Thomas. Is this enough for Ancestry to pick up? I'm not sure.

The only way to know for sure would be for an Ayling male descendant of William to take a YDNA test and compare to my test results.  www.familytreedna.com/groups/ayling-surname/about/background

Cheers,

Chris Ayling

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Sussex / Re: who's the daddy? AYLING
« on: Saturday 22 September 18 04:21 BST (UK)  »
I have an autosomal DNA match with a descendant of William Ayling via his granddaughter Caroline Ayling (B. 1844). This puzzled me because I did not see a link between my Ayling ancestors (in the Graffham/Woolavington area) and the Aylings of Broadwater/Worthing.

In the 1851 census William says he was born about 1767 and from Greatham. I thought this might have been transcribed in error for Graffham. And there is a William born there in 1767...but he is deceased in 1767. However, there is a William Ayling born in 1766 in nearby Woolavington. There was a lot of movement between Graffham and Woolavington for Ayling families. For example, my 6X great grandfather James Ayling (1774-1860) was born in Woolavington. His father Thomas Ayling (1738-1820) was from Graffham. James' son John Ayling (1804-1890) raises his family in Graffham.

So what I am saying is that perhaps William Ayling of "Greatham" was the son of Thomas Ayling (1738-1820) of Graffham, brother to my 6X great grandfather James Ayling (1774-1860). If so, this other person and I would share about .7% of autosomal DNA from Thomas. Is this enough for Ancestry to pick up? I'm not sure.

The only way to know for sure would be for an Ayling male descendant of William to take a YDNA test and compare to my test results. If you are that person, contact me at aylinghistorian@gmail.com. Or contact me via the Ayling Surname Project at www.familytreedna.com/groups/ayling-surname/about/background

Cheers,

Chris Ayling

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Hampshire & Isle of Wight / Re: Ayling family
« on: Saturday 22 September 18 04:20 BST (UK)  »
I have an autosomal DNA match with a descendant of William Ayling via his granddaughter Caroline Ayling (B. 1844). This puzzled me because I did not see a link between my Ayling ancestors (in the Graffham/Woolavington area) and the Aylings of Broadwater/Worthing.

In the 1851 census William says he was born about 1767 and from Greatham. I thought this might have been transcribed in error for Graffham. And there is a William born there in 1767...but he is deceased in 1767. However, there is a William Ayling born in 1766 in nearby Woolavington. There was a lot of movement between Graffham and Woolavington for Ayling families. For example, my 6X great grandfather James Ayling (1774-1860) was born in Woolavington. His father Thomas Ayling (1738-1820) was from Graffham. James' son John Ayling (1804-1890) raises his family in Graffham.

So what I am saying is that perhaps William Ayling of "Greatham" was the son of Thomas Ayling (1738-1820) of Graffham, brother to my 6X great grandfather James Ayling (1774-1860). If so, this other person and I would share about .7% of autosomal DNA from Thomas. Is this enough for Ancestry to pick up? I'm not sure.

The only way to know for sure would be for an Ayling male descendant of William to take a YDNA test and compare to my test results. If you are that person, contact me at  * . Or contact me via the Ayling Surname Project at www.familytreedna.com/groups/ayling-surname/about/background

Cheers,

Chris Ayling

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Sussex Lookup Requests / Re: William Ayling, Greatham
« on: Saturday 22 September 18 04:18 BST (UK)  »
I have an autosomal DNA match with a descendant of William Ayling via his granddaughter Caroline Ayling (B. 1844). This puzzled me because I did not see a link between my Ayling ancestors (in the Graffham/Woolavington area) and the Aylings of Broadwater/Worthing.

In the 1851 census William says he was born about 1767 and from Greatham. I thought this might have been transcribed in error for Graffham. And there is a William born there in 1767...but he is deceased in 1767. However, there is a William Ayling born in 1766 in nearby Woolavington. There was a lot of movement between Graffham and Woolavington for Ayling families. For example, my 6X great grandfather James Ayling (1774-1860) was born in Woolavington. His father Thomas Ayling (1738-1820) was from Graffham. James' son John Ayling (1804-1890) raises his family in Graffham.

So what I am saying is that perhaps William Ayling of "Greatham" was the son of Thomas Ayling (1738-1820) of Graffham, brother to my 6X great grandfather James Ayling (1774-1860). If so, this other person and I would share about .7% of autosomal DNA from Thomas. Is this enough for Ancestry to pick up? I'm not sure.

The only way to know for sure would be for an Ayling male descendant of William to take a YDNA test and compare to my test results. If you are that person, contact me at aylinghistorian@gmail.com. Or contact me via the Ayling Surname Project at www.familytreedna.com/groups/ayling-surname/about/background

Cheers,

Chris Ayling

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