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The Common Room / Re: Why do you or don't you put your Trees on Genealogy sites?
« on: Thursday 26 November 20 14:07 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks also to the others who have replied :)   I will have to get over the fact that others may take and use my information , as once its online its up for grabs by anyone. Perhaps I mustn't be so "precious"  about my tree.  I know the true facts that's all that should matter.

Just to add to that, in situations where I know the true facts, I actually want others to take and use my information.  For example, one of my GGG GFs married in Warwickshire in 1819, produced eight children and lived there for the rest of his life.  He didn't live with two different women in different counties at the same time or trek off to Utah and marry three other women (as some other online trees used to show!). 

The online tree on familysearch now shows that he married in Warwickshire, produced eight children and lived there for the rest of his life (result!) and thankfully, all of the trees on ancestry now show the same thing. I guess the point is to put the right information out there and hopefully get others to copy it, rather than me knowing what happened and the rest of the world thinking something else!

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The Common Room / Re: Why do you or don't you put your Trees on Genealogy sites?
« on: Thursday 26 November 20 10:49 GMT (UK)  »
I keep it online and open to all. I see it as a way of almost 'bringing people back to life' by creating an online profile for people from 200+ years ago who have since been long forgotten and then letting the world have a look.  A bit like publishing a book really.

I don't see the point of keeping it private. It is a bit like doing historical research and finding something that no one else knows about and then keeping it quiet.  Covid can strike at anytime and valuable historical and family-related information on private trees often goes with it, back into the unknown.

If someone maps out my life and the life of my children in 200 years time, then I would like to think that they would tell the world about it, rather than keeping it hidden away in a folder on their laptop.

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Staffordshire / Re: John Proffitt from Willenhall (1780s-1859)
« on: Friday 04 August 17 10:16 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Ciderdrinker, I very much appreciate the time and effort that you put into your reply.

The Commission report is definitely the right John Proffitt. Luckily it is a distinctive surname which makes is easier to track and I'm pretty sure that he was the only person in Willenhall named John after his son moved to Bilston in the early 1830s.  The Commission report suggests that he was born around 1782/3 which is more or less where I have got to!

One thing I do know about is about Humphrey Proffitt's family and unfortunately I don't think he is the right person that I am looking for.  Humphrey and Martha's son, John Proffitt, was buried at St Matthew, Walsall on 19 June 1780, leaving them with just the two children Mary and William who later appeared in Humphrey's will.  Humphrey had briefly been a butcher in London in the 1770s and moved back to Walsall after then to run a butcher's shop which was there for around 50 years.

Thanks again, Abby

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Staffordshire / John Proffitt from Willenhall (1780s-1859)
« on: Wednesday 02 August 17 11:42 BST (UK)  »
Hi all, I was just hoping that someone may have some information about the birth details of a John Proffitt, who was a locksmith in Willenhall from around 1800 until his death in 1859.

I know that he married Ann Smith at St Peter's, Wolverhampton in August 1805 and had eight children born in Little London, Willenhall between 1806-1825 and all were christened at St Giles, Willenhall. 

He is on the census returns for Willenhall (as a widower) in 1841 and 1851, with the 1851 census showing that he was born in Walsall around 1786, however I can find no record of any John Proffitt born in Walsall around that time (other than a John Proffitt, son of William Proffitt, born in Walsall in 1780 who I believe died in 1785).

Can anyone help at all? I can trace all of his family from 1806 onwards but am at a real dead end before then  :(




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Worcestershire / Re: Confused by Edwin Werren from Worcester
« on: Friday 17 June 16 18:04 BST (UK)  »
One of the trees on Ancestry has William Henry Werren born 28 November 1892 at Sycamore Cottage , Pump Street , North Malvern. There is a note " Birth Certificate held " which indicates that that is the origin of the date and address. Ida Reynolds is in Pump Street in 1891. The tree also states Edward Arthur Reynolds born 20 Feb 1890 in the Workhouse , Upton on Severn - again " Birth Certificate held "

Thanks CB53, another piece for the jigsaw.... I think it is likely that Edward was the son of Edwin/Ida (even though he was living with his wife Sarah at the time) as he was certainly part of the Werren family by 1901. 

Without of course knowing the ins and outs of what went on between Edwin/Sarah/Ida (although I noticed the comment that Sarah was still 'married' on the 1911 census), I can't help having a little smile at the thought that Sarah outlived Edwin, as I think he died in 1915 and she died in 1917 ;)

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Worcestershire / Re: Confused by Edwin Werren from Worcester
« on: Friday 17 June 16 17:50 BST (UK)  »
There is also a service record for Albert Victor Werren, with marriage and child, so some maybe kept the name, have not traced fully yet, will leave to you.

William Henry Werren was killed in action 1916  :'(

http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/820435/WERREN,%20WILLIAM%20HENRY

Cas

Thanks Cas. I think Edwin and Ida had eight children and the five of them that survived infancy (William and Albert included) all kept the Werren name in the Wolverhampton area.  Like I said earlier, tracking the children is relatively easy - it was the 'complicated' relationship between their parents that was causing all the trouble. Thanks again, Abby

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Worcestershire / Re: Confused by Edwin Werren from Worcester
« on: Friday 17 June 16 16:24 BST (UK)  »
Clue From the article CB53 posted stating married 20 yrs

Marriages Sep 1874   
Bond    Sarah Jane    Worcester 6c 417    
Same page - Hughes    Edwin

Think the 23 yr "marriage" stated in 1911 was how long Edwin and Ida had been together maybe, but were unable to marry.

Cas

I think you are right Cas. I must admit that I presumed that information on the 1911 census was a bit more reliable than that on previous census returns as they filled it in themselves. It just shows, don't assume anything..

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Worcestershire / Re: Confused by Edwin Werren from Worcester
« on: Friday 17 June 16 16:18 BST (UK)  »
So, deep breath....

It looks therefore like Edwin Hughes married Sarah Bond when they were both 16 years old in 1874 and then he did a runner, somewhere between 1890-1893, and somehow came into contact with Ida Reynolds, who he then set up with in Shropshire/Staffordshire.  Ida was single in 1891 and as you said Ruskie, there is no mention of Edward b.1890 with her (I'll look for where he was in 1891 in a bit). I'm assuming for now that William Henry b.1892/3 was the son of Edwin/Ida (as he was registered as Reynolds in Worcestershire in 1893) and that Albert Victor Hughes, born in Darlaston, Staffs in 1895 was also their son (if only because the deserted wife must have been out of the picture by then).

The key revelation seems to be that Edwin and Ida may never have actually married, which is good in a way because I thought it saves me having to track down a non-existent marriage record.. In 1898, Rosina is then born and finds herself christened Werren, in a household where her older brothers are possibly still called Hughes or Reynolds!.  At least the 4 children that they had after then were all given the same name.

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Worcestershire / Re: Confused by Edwin Werren from Worcester
« on: Friday 17 June 16 15:28 BST (UK)  »
Ruskie, Cas, Rosie, CB53 et al - I really am trying to respond to all of your posts (thanks, thanks), but new ones keep appearing before I can!

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