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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Cause of Death mystery.
« on: Thursday 11 August 22 23:34 BST (UK)  »
Wow thank you! did not take long for someone to help.... I agree Ruskie and I should have given more info.... it is a 36 year old female, see certificate....

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Cause of Death mystery.
« on: Thursday 11 August 22 23:06 BST (UK)  »
Hi, Can anyone tell what the cause of death is, I can't make out the writing
Many thanks if you can help.

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Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Re: Unidentified Tipstaff Coat of Arms
« on: Thursday 18 August 16 15:45 BST (UK)  »
I've done umpteen searches for "three anchors" and "two coronets" - no hits!

Thanks KGarrad... It really is much appreciated! I have also done likewise but not with the expert knowledge that you have.

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Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Re: Unidentified Tipstaff Coat of Arms
« on: Thursday 18 August 16 15:34 BST (UK)  »
...Just had a beer and brain is now thinking. Is it possible that the coat of arms on this tipstaff is a personal coat of arms rather than that of an official office? I was looking through a very long list of mayors for Oxford, and there is many of them, and wondered if it could belong to one of them? The coa looks to be very simple in nature. Possibly a mayor had it made for his own personal use? Just a thought.

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Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Re: Unidentified Tipstaff Coat of Arms
« on: Thursday 18 August 16 14:36 BST (UK)  »
I like the idea put forward by Scouseboy in that "It may have been the symbol of office  held by the Town Clerk  of the City of Oxford." and that it may well have served its life as a desktop symbol of authority object.

In that case perhaps it would be worth contacting the Museum of Oxford, at Oxford Town Hall.
They have regalia associated with Oxford and would surely be interested and able to identify the crest?
https://www.oxford.gov.uk/museumofoxford

Thank you Jen... this is a good suggestion. Ideally they could be shown this thread. I'll email them. Cheers. Laurence.

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Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Re: Unidentified Tipstaff Coat of Arms
« on: Thursday 18 August 16 14:20 BST (UK)  »
It can't be from the City of Oxford, as the arms are wrong.

Webster's College Dictionary says:
tip•staff (ˈtɪpˌstæf, -ˌstɑf)

n., pl. -staves (-ˌsteɪvz)
-staffs.
1. an attendant or crier in a court of law.
2. a staff tipped with metal, formerly carried as a badge of office, as by a constable.
3. any official who carried such a staff.

Other dictionaries say much the same.
That was why I suggested the Oxford City Police?
The addition of the anchors makes me think it might have been the River Authority, or River Police?
The coronets (NB not crowns!) look to me like civic coronets? But as they are a charge on the field, rather than a crest, they could mean almost anything?! ::)

I tried all the colleges at Oxford University, but none of their Arms are even close.

In summary, I would say it's a civic office, connected to Oxford City.

KGarrard... Thanks very much for your input, I very much like your research! however... I am starting to sway away from the idea that it is even a tipstaff as such and used by a representative of the law, purely because of the delicate construction of it. It is an easy item to snatch and snap in half in the face of an offender, it is in no way a sturdy enough object for the use that I originally thought, I could be very wrong though. I like the idea put forward by Scouseboy in that "It may have been the symbol of office  held by the Town Clerk  of the City of Oxford." and that it may well have served its life as a desktop symbol of authority object.


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Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Re: Unidentified Tipstaff Coat of Arms
« on: Thursday 18 August 16 14:04 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

I have a very nice tipstaff but no one seems to recognise the coat of Arms. Can you help?

It may have been the symbol of office  held by the Town Clerk  of the City of Oxford.

Visit a City museum   and look   for  Mace and other  symbols of office.

Thanks Scouseboy, this is a good suggestion being a symbol of office held by the town clerk and this is exactly what these items represents, it got me thinking because in relation to the many other truncheons and tipstaffs that I have, this one is very light in its weight. I remember thinking that it would not have lasted very long in its work and use as a constables tipstaff knowing the rough and tumbles of such duties. Quite possibly this may well have been placed on a stand on a desktop, who knows? Perhaps even a University Principals office?  ;D

As far as visiting a museum or any archives, I have done just that and makes a great day out. I was only in the London Metropolitan Archives last Saturday researching another tipstaff for ChristChurch Surrey which is now Southwark.

Carol... It is not exactly a family heirloom although I did inherit it from Dad, where he got it from goodness knows. The owner of the website http://www.truncheon.org.uk/ would possibly know where it came from but he also does not know the coat of Arms, he and my Father were very best of friends. Thanks for your input though. As a matter of further interest regarding heraldry etc the websites owner has writtern a book with many fine illustrations, very well worth a read!

Cheers All.
Laurence

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Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Re: Unidentified Tipstaff Coat of Arms
« on: Thursday 18 August 16 11:19 BST (UK)  »
Thank you both for your efforts it is much appreciated! I am a complete novice to Heraldry and such like although I am now taking much more interest in the subject since my Father passed away last December. He was a big collector of police memorabilia, and heraldry etc is used in so many ways in the forces. You are welcome to take a look at a site I have dedicated to him, found here http://alan.swain.me.uk/

The mention of river police is a good suggestion as there being 'anchors' in the coat of arms although I am not sure of the use of crowns. I did find three crowns relating to the Bishop of Oxford. Was/is there a Bishops Palace like we have here in Peterborough? A Church Wardens tipstaff? Cathedral related??

Universities, yes, colleges, how many of them are there and have any been sold in the past or ceased to exist?

Dating the tipstaff at a very rough guess, I'd put it at say 1850 possibly earlier. Universities did indeed use them surprisingly, as I have one of my fathers for Cambridge, reference number 15 here... http://alan.swain.me.uk/truncheons.htm

Hopefully some of the ideas here will get viewers of this thread to chip in. The Tipstaff certainly is a genuine item and someone somewhere would know just what it was used for and where. Thanks again!

Laurence.

Edit: Just a little more info, the coat of arms is on a 'silver' curved disc mounted on the wooden baton, just incase one wonders what the black stains are.

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Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Re: Unidentified Tipstaff Coat of Arms
« on: Wednesday 17 August 16 23:12 BST (UK)  »
Thank you! Mentioning Oxford narrows things down a bit but googling images for Oxford does not show anything with three anchors and two crowns.  :-\

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