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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Bigamy?
« on: Thursday 30 July 20 16:34 BST (UK)  »
Thanks, Comberton.
So a house of multiple occupation - that fits with Elizabeth being a widow on her own, and probably more or less unknown to the other occupants; at least in terms of details about her life, eg husband's first name and occupation, which were not disclosed on the death certificate.

Family History Beginners Board / Re: Bigamy?
« on: Thursday 30 July 20 11:25 BST (UK)  »
Daventry Street is still there, in Marylebone - it's very near York Street, where Elizabeth and William Allum were in 1911.  This further makes me think I've got the right death.

Family History Beginners Board / Re: Bigamy?
« on: Thursday 30 July 20 11:08 BST (UK)  »
Thanks, Louisa Maud.  But R Holland lived at Elizabeth's address - so perhaps a landlord?  Or maybe some sort of care home employee, where Elizabeth was before going into hospital?  Or Elizabeth's latest partner?  But that wording sounds too official to be a partner?

I can't gain anything from present-day streetview of Daventry Street - I think it's been redeveloped since 1927.

Family History Beginners Board / Re: Searching for Grandad
« on: Thursday 30 July 20 11:00 BST (UK)  »

They seem to be at 43 Lakes Lane, Newport Pagnell - on the 1939 Register.  John F Gilbert (born 1891), one other, and one officially closed.

Family History Beginners Board / Re: Bigamy?
« on: Thursday 30 July 20 10:34 BST (UK)  »
Further to my post regarding Elizabeth's brother, George, and whether there would be any clues in his Will - I failed to notice this was an "Administration", so there is no Will.

However, I did obtain a possible death certificate (one of two for Elizabeth Allum of about the right age) and that came yesterday (after only ordering on Tuesday, incidentally, from GRO - two days, fastest so far).

Elizabeth Allum died on 11 December 1927 at 12 Exmoor Street (Kensington, I assume, as that is the Registry), which I think is the St Marylebone Hospital.  She is "Widow of - Allum, occupation unknown" - so that fits with all the mystery and no-one knowing who she was, ie no family around her.  She lived at 3 Daventry Street, NW1 - as did the informant "R Holland".  The informant's name is followed by "Causing the body to be buried".  Is this a standard wording?  Could R Holland have been a landlord, perhaps?  Who didn't know anyone else to deal with Elizabeth's burial?  I haven't found an "R Holland" at 3 Daventry Street on the 1911 or 1939 records, and wondered if there is another way to find him/her?

Many thanks for any pointers and thoughts on the "Causing the body to be buried" comment, particularly by someone who lived at the same address (not a solicitor, or other "official", etc).

The Common Room / Re: - missing record(s)
« on: Saturday 18 July 20 16:21 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for your trouble and the advice.

The Common Room / Re: - missing record(s)
« on: Saturday 18 July 20 15:41 BST (UK)  »
Rosie - you're a genius!  I've learnt a new technique.

Jane Hasted = Jane Wedow and all her "Wedow" family!

Where does the book number of 4 come from?  I can see all the other references in, but not that one?

Many thanks.

The Common Room / - missing record(s)
« on: Saturday 18 July 20 15:20 BST (UK)  »
I'm trying to find the 1841 Census record on for Jane Hasted, 45, of Portsea Island, who was living at Wellington Place - information from

There are others in the same household: William Hasted (14); Eliza Hasted (8 years); Mary Clifford (30); William Clifford (3); and Eliza Mason (13).  Of course, this is per the transcription on familysearch.

They are also all found on a search of Wellington Place, Portsea Island, on  No funny spellings or different dates to familysearch.  I would be able to see the sheet, if I subscribed to findmypast, but I don't - I subscribe to ancestry!

However, ancestry finds none of them.  I phoned the ancestry helpline and he couldn't find them either.  The explanation offered was that a descendant might have asked for that record to be removed - but that couldn't be confirmed.  Seems a bit over the top?  From 1841?

I was directed to National Archives (not sure what they would do) - ancestry didn't seem to want to investigate.

It this actually a thing that people have encountered before?

Family History Beginners Board / Re: Bigamy?
« on: Friday 03 July 20 14:35 BST (UK)  »
Have you by any chance traced the Mountain family from Lincs?

Louisa Maud

I've tracked the two sisters. And got in touch with a present-day Sarjantson, who doesn't know about Elizabeth.

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