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What I do know is that she had two children with a man called William Porter, both born in Carlisle and baptised at St Mary's there - which according to my research is a protestant Church. They had George baptised in August 1790 and Mary baptised in 1795. There may have been other children but I have not been able to find them.

Names of Catholic babies were recorded in some C. of E. baptism registers in England in 18th century. It doesn't necessarily mean that they were baptised by an Anglican curate. There were 2 reasons for inclusion of Catholic children in Anglican baptism registers.

1. Penal laws against Catholics existed during that century. Church and civil authorities needed to know how many Catholics were in England, who they were and where they lived. Lists were kept - there were several "Returns of Papists" compiled in 18th century, arranged by county.
 Anglican curates were supposed to know who were Catholics in their parishes so that they could provide accurate information when asked to compile a "Return of Papists". Some curates kept a separate list of children born to "Papist" or "Recusant" parents.  Some wrote their names in the baptism register, either included in chronological order or added to the end of each year; they may have "Birth" written by the name or they may not. Some didn't bother keeping a record.

2. Births were taxed twice during 18thC. to pay war debts. Anglican curates were responsible for collecting those taxes. Amount collected had to tally with the list of births he kept. Obvious place to keep the record was in the baptism register. The last of those tax periods was 1780's-1790's to pay for American War of Independence.
A pair of my Catholic ancestors had 13 children born 1787-1810. Names + dates of the eldest 7, born 1787-1796 are in C. of E. baptism register because they were born when the tax was due. The younger 6 were born after the tax was abolished so there was no need for their names to be recorded by the Anglican curate. All 13 children were baptised by the Catholic chaplain and were recorded in his register. Their cousins, born in 1780's, were also in both registers.     


If there was a local RC chapel you may find they also married there on the same day or the day after the CofE service.

My 3xG Grandparents did exactly that in 1804 - married in the parish church on 1st Feb. ( with no mention of the bride being a Catholic on the entry), and then on the next day (2nd Feb.) they married in the RC chapel a few miles away where  the entry has "NB a protestant" next to the groom's name.

Your ancestors abided by the law by marrying in the parish church first and having a Catholic ceremony later. Having the 2 ceremonies in the wrong order was illegal. The Catholic wedding ceremony was supposed to be treated as a post-marriage blessing. A branch of my ancestors seemed to have deliberately flouted the law by always having the Catholic wedding first, usually the day before the C. of E. wedding although 6 weeks elapsed before one middle-aged couple got around to going to the parish church for the C. of E. wedding.
A Catholic priest who performed a marriage ceremony between a Catholic and a Protestant was breaking the law. One of the Catholic Relief Acts in late 18thC. reduced the punishment for this crime. It wouldn't have been a crime after those Catholic Relief Acts if the R.C. ceremony took place later than the Anglican one, in which case it could be regarded as a wedding blessing and therefore purely a religious service.   

I was born an atheist

I can't remember anything before I was 3 but I can state with confidence that I wasn't having thoughts about theology when I was born. Coping with this confusing world was enough for my little brain to be getting on with. You must have been a very advanced baby.  :) 


There is (or at least was) a tree with my grandpa on it that went back to God, via Jesus and had Adam and Eve on it. 
 I had to keep looking at it even though I felt guilty. 

I was the same about one which allegedly meant I was so many (can't remember how many) degrees connected to the present Queen. Some old royal genealogies show descent from Adam. Didn't take me long to spot an error, a case of mistaken identity, 200 years ago.

Armed Forces / Re: Birth during Napoleonic war
« on: Yesterday at 16:57 »
"Births, marriages and deaths in the armed forces" National Archives research guide.

2 free websites:

GRO (Official Government website)
Scroll down to "Overseas Records" for link to list "Events recorded abroad".

Family Search

Mary/Maria Hedican/Hedigan born 1847, County Clare, Ireland.  On her marriage certificate in Australia her father is listed as MICHAEL and mother as MARGARET McNAMARA.

On the birth certificate of my grandfather it says MARIA HARPER formerly REICHEU (we do not understand this name or reference).

On the marriage certificate of my grandfathers it has her name listed as MARIA HADIGAN.

On Mary/Maria's death certificate the name of her father was MARTIN HEDIGAN and her mother MARY HEDIGAN maiden name Mary McNAMARA.

All very confusing.  Any help will be greatly appreciated.


I'd be inclined to take information provided by the person herself as a starting point. Generally speaking, she was more likely to have known the names of her parents than a third party was. Information on the marriage certificate would have been provided by Mary. Information on the death certificate was provided by someone else and may not have been correct; they may have mis-remembered or never known.
Who was the informant of your grandfather's birth?
Are they original certificates or transcriptions? Mary's father's name may have been incorrectly transcribed on a record.
Another explanation is that names may have been misheard by the person writing down the information. Were the people providing information able to read and write?
Another possibility is that Martin was known as Michael or Mick by people in Australia.

Armed Forces / Re: Birth during Napoleonic war
« on: Monday 19 April 21 16:42 BST (UK)  »
Welcome to RootsChat.
Some records of births or baptisms were made.
There's a regimental births register. Some births on it may have been prior to the start of civil registration of births in England in 1837.
There are also some chaplains' baptism registers.
Which religious denomination did they belong to?
Some babies were baptised in local churches or chapels near where the soldier was stationed or where his wife was staying. A few families had a child baptised when they returned home. 

The Lighter Side / Re: Adam and Eve. How many children did they have?
« on: Monday 19 April 21 16:19 BST (UK)  »
Adam and Eve.  How many children did they have?
An Ancestry tree has the answer, each with a nice full-colour photo, so many that I lost count!

I didn't realise photography had been invented as early as that!   ;) That increases chances of finding photos of my earliest identified ancestors who were alive in 1690.  ;) I recently found a Moses, born in 1700's, who married into one of those lines. He's the first and so far only Old Testament male name in my tree. His origin is so far unknown.   

Armagh / Re: Ireland to Downunder
« on: Sunday 18 April 21 16:15 BST (UK)  »

Sarah Ann Adamson born about 1831 Tullylish, Northern Ireland?

The state called Northern Ireland was founded 100 years ago when Ireland was partitioned. Ireland consists of 4 provinces. Ulster, the northerly province contains 9 counties. 6 Ulster counties formed Northern Ireland. Sarah Ann was born about 90 years before Northern Ireland was born.
Information about records for Northern Ireland is under "Genealogy" tab on Irish Genealogy Toolkit.

Ireland Reaching Out is a family history website for the Irish diaspora, connecting people to their place of origin. It's arranged by county and civil parish.
As far as I know, you don't have to provide your email just to browse message boards and look at information sections and local chronicles, so ignore the email message unless you want to join to post something.

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