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Family History Beginners Board / Re: John Cameron: Birth Place - Help Please!
« on: Friday 03 February 17 10:06 GMT (UK)  »
The surname Saith is very unusual in Scotland and ScotlandsPeople only has a handful of BMD. However if you put Saith in as a first name it brings up a number of entries of Camerons with middle name Saith ( including the person I assume is your father) This is such an unusual name combination that I feel there has to be a link with your family.
Of note are the birth entries for the following-
Janet Saith Cameron born 1930 Gorbals Glasgow
James Saith Cameron born 1932 Gorbals/ St Rollex Glasgow
With these in mind i think the 1934 entry for John Cameron in Gorbals may be the one you are looking for. Also the entry number is very high ( in the thousands) which would suggest that the entry is for a birth late in the year which would fit your known date of birth.

Wow thank you that makes a lot of sense! That seems right, I had estimated that he may be that John Cameron so that seems to confirm it!

Thanks everyone for your help on this - it's also interesting to know Saith is unusual name in Scotland!

Family History Beginners Board / Re: John Cameron: Birth Place - Help Please!
« on: Friday 03 February 17 05:23 GMT (UK)  »

Would it not have his mother's maiden name. If so you could possibly find their marriage and then possibly narrow the area of birth for your grandfather.


Yes you're right, however it would still be a lot of guessing and I need to provide a specific place unfortunately.

Does anyone know if the Scottish National Archives has people that can search more accurately than is available online? My main issue is that while I have my grandfather's exact birth date, Scotland's People website only allows you to search by year, which brings up to many possibilities.   

Family History Beginners Board / Re: John Cameron: Birth Place - Help Please!
« on: Friday 03 February 17 05:08 GMT (UK)  »
The relevant NAA file is indexed at the online index, but it has not yet been examined.   I can find it easily at their index.   You could ask the NAA for advice and explain your purpose.  They may dedact part of the file or otherwise, or they may simply provide you with the necessary documentation to assist your application, or after the file has been examined the determination may be that it is not suitable for release.  But you need to at least approach them, as they hold the records.


Thanks, good idea I will do this!

You can order the marriage cert ScotlandsPeople, online:

CAMERON JOHN        Spouse: FOLAN  1955 reference 575/ 42 entry number 42 Renfrew


Yes, unfortunately though marriage certs at the time did not list place of birth I believe? As such it probably won't be very helpful for my purpose, as place of birth is all I need!

Family History Beginners Board / Re: John Cameron: Birth Place - Help Please!
« on: Friday 03 February 17 04:58 GMT (UK)  »
Have you asked NAA if there's more records available up not uploaded ... your Dad should be able to apply ... eg the actual application to migrate, the medical/dental records etc...  these used to be displayed but were withdrawn several years ago due to concerns about the possible sensitive info displayed.


See above comment about my Father. However, that's really interesting to know there are more documents. Do you know if there are any avenues to access them for family members? I may contact NAA.


Family History Beginners Board / Re: John Cameron: Birth Place - Help Please!
« on: Friday 03 February 17 04:49 GMT (UK)  »
I wonder if the immigration papers will give exact place of birth for your grandfather?   The National Archives of Australia should have these.

If your Grandfather died in NSW less than 30 years ago, no member of the general public can access the dc, BUT any person named on that dc can access it.    So your Dad can apply for a copy of it, as the dc should list Grandfather's children by name and age. 


Hi there, I used these records to find his exact date of birth (as before I only knew the year) but they don't appear to list the place of birth at all from what I can see? I used RecordSearch and searched the Immigration collection to do this.

Yes, my Father may be able to get a copy of his death certificate. However, he is not supporting me to pursue British citizenship, due to his own issues with their life in Scotland and his parents. So sadly I don't think he will want to go through that process for me.

Family History Beginners Board / Re: John Cameron: Birth Place - Help Please!
« on: Friday 03 February 17 04:40 GMT (UK)  »
Yes I do mean genealogy, sorry I think that must have auto corrected!

Hi B & welcome to RC  ;D

Can you please give us the names of your grandparents & all the details you can from the marriage cert. please (assuming they were married in Scotland)?

Where were they married would be the 1st thing to look at & what were the addresses of each on the marriage cert?

What were the names of their parents given on the marriage cert. as this will help locate them in census records?

Depending on his father's occupation he may have moved around?

Did any of the children have any unusual or less common names which would be easier to look for?

Do you know any of their yrs of birth or guesstimates & names in order of eldest to youngest which can be compared with RD of births?

Please do not post the names of any possible living people though, only people you know to be deceased.


My Grandparents names were John Cameron born 14 October 1934, and Patricia Mary Cameron (nee Folan) born 30 March 1936 in Old or West Kilpatrick in Scotland. I don't have the marriage certificate, however from my Father's birth certificate it says they were married on 10 April 1955 in Renfrew, Scotland.

My grandfather's occupation on my Father's birth certificate is listed as a ship steward. I also know that his father was also called John Cameron, and his mother's name was Mary (although I do not know her maiden name - it may have been some variation of Morris).

I know the children's names, however they are all still living, and as such I won't post their information. However, it may be of note that both my father and I have the middle name Saith. Although I can't find any John Cameron's with the middle name Saith, so it may not be much help.

Hi BCameron,
are you in the USA?

No, I am based in Australia, my father's family immigrated here in the 1960s. My grandfather died here, however the laws here are very different to the UK and they will only release copies of death certificates to the next of kin.

Is Um a word?

It's an interjection.

Does the form specifically ask for town of birth? A birth would have been registered in a district. Do the forms ask you to supply your grandparent's birth certificates?

The form's do specifically ask for town. From my understanding, a district in Scotland is essentially a town? My Father's birth certificate says 'the district of Paisley' however Paisley is a town/city. I don't need to their birth certificates, just their place and date of birth.

It seems ridiculous that I have so much information on them, and still can't figure our where my Grandfather was born or what 'John Cameron' he is on the list of Scotland's People!

Family History Beginners Board / John Cameron: Birth Place - Help Please!
« on: Thursday 02 February 17 01:47 GMT (UK)  »
Hi there, I was wondering if anyone could give any advice on tracking down a place of birth of someone.

I have recently become eligible to apply for British citizenship as my father was Scottish. However, the forms require me to enter my grandparents information, including the town of their birth.

My father was estranged from his parents (who are both now dead), and while I have my father's birth certificate and know my grandfathers date of birth, name, wife and children names, his occupation and date of marriage I have been unable to find the town of his birth. To track down my grandmother's details, I was able to enter her name into Scotland's People website along with her year of birth and her birth town appeared alongside the option to purchase her birth certificate. However, my grandfather's name was John Cameron (with no middle name) and in 1934 (his birth year) there were dozens of people born all over Scotland with that name.

No gynecology sites appear to have tracked our family, I have already tried that option. Please let me know if anyone has any other methods to track his birth place down - given the information I have.

Thanks so much!

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