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Ireland / Re: Engilly or Angila
« on: Thursday 12 December 19 16:12 GMT (UK)  »
Francis is a washout- James Ansley and Bridget Rividen, but may signify that a cousin moved to the area. 

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Ireland / Re: Engilly or Angila
« on: Thursday 12 December 19 16:08 GMT (UK)  »
You are a miracle worker. That sounds exactly what I was expecting- dates to be off, but something that sounded approximately right for James' last name.  I also noticed he was called John when Mary died, but it is common for daughters to forget names then.  I think the marriage to John sounds right.  James was apparently not from the area as there are no other similar surnames around.  The priest probably wasn't familiar with the name and someone took a guess at spelling.  I can't believe you found it.  I was staring yesterday at the records in Cork noting the Bowler concentrations and Anglins coincided in very few places. None of those church records covered the right times.  However,  Ennisly has a much closer tie to Engilly than Anglin.   There is a Francis Ansley who has some promise as an offspring 1843.

 James sounds good.  There should be more, I would think.  Possibly Margaret is a cousin of Johanna, not a sister, but I think she is a close relative.   

Thanks for so much work.  I use irishgenealogy for civil records after 1865 as most of my mother's family was from Armagh area and never thought it had more to offer.  I am just beginning to explore my father's Sullivans and Engillys after realizing most of my DNA matches take me to his family (so far mostly his mother's well documented English side.) I'm so excited at your discovery.

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Ireland / Re: Engilly or Angila
« on: Monday 09 December 19 13:57 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you for the information and the source.  I may have to take another look through one parish, but still having no real luck.

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Ireland / Re: Engilly or Angila
« on: Sunday 08 December 19 07:41 GMT (UK)  »
That whole line is Catholic as far as I know and from the names of the US cemeteries.   I am going through Griffiths.  Newcastle,Limerick has Anglins in Griffiths and Bowlars in church records, but not Johanna's baptism.  What would be the name James when found in Catholic records?  No one appears to be James, so is there an alternative name? 

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Ireland / Re: Engilly or Angila
« on: Sunday 08 December 19 02:05 GMT (UK)  »
I really appreciate all this help.  I have been totally stumped by this family without a clue  where to begin.  I don't know if any of the spellings above are correct since spelling varied in Ireland and it was up to whoever wrote documents to guess how things were spelled.  However your assistance has given me enough clues that I can begin research in both Cork and Limerick.  Thanks so much.

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Ireland / Re: Engilly or Angila
« on: Sunday 08 December 19 01:57 GMT (UK)  »
Familysearch is too busy right now.    That is the right marriage certificate though, but James may have died in Ireland. A Tithe listing implies money or maybe 20 acres, I thought, which sounds unpromising, but I saw nothing there. I've been to MA Vitals. No death record for James.  Johanna 15 and Mary 60 (born 1799!) Engley arrived on the Neptune June 9, 1859.   No Margaret/Maggie/etc, so she must have gone to NY first? I was hoping they followed family members, but I've tried every spelling in MA Vitals. Only one Engley in Lawrence and he is not in familysearch.   They may not have become US citizens.  I finally found the death record  -Mary Angelia, died 1880 in Lawrence, MA.  Her parents were John Bowler and Mary.  Another spelling, but the same pattern.  I will try Irish church records tomorrow.

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Ireland / Re: Engilly or Angila
« on: Saturday 07 December 19 22:32 GMT (UK)  »
I haven't found anything close to the name in any Irish record.  Just now, it has been suggested that McAnally or Angley may be the original Irish spelling.  There is no reason to think they may be from Cork or Tyrone (where many from Lowell, MA came from), but Limerick has been suggested.  It has both Bowlars and Angleys, which is very promising.  If I can't find the family or both surnames near each other in church records, I might be able to find distant DNA links to a particular area.  Cork and Tyrone have shown up in the few on-line DNA trees and they appear to be the homelands of Sullivans and McCuskers.  So the DNA method vaguely works.

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Ireland / Re: Engilly or Angila
« on: Saturday 07 December 19 15:17 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you.  I will give that a try and see if it leads anywhere,

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Ireland / Engilly or Angila
« on: Saturday 07 December 19 00:18 GMT (UK)  »
James (something like Engilly)  and Mary have daughters Margaret b 1840 and Johanna b. 1844 in Ireland before moving to Massachusetts, USA.  Johanna uses the spelling Engilly in the US by 1862 when she married an ex-Cork (maybe) man named Maurice (O')Sullivan in Lawrence, MA.  The families are Catholic.  James is not in the 1865 US census, but Mary Engily is and listed as a widow born 1805. Mary might have lived in Chelsea, MA in 1863 with the Sullivans.  She is in Lawrence, MA in 1865, but dau Margaret died in Lowell, MA in 1860 at age 20.  I can not get to an 1850 or 1860 census for Essex county and even Sullivan is misspelled in 1865.  Johanna's death records say James Angila and Mary Bowlar are her parents.   Co. Cork has some Bowlar families, but I have no idea how James' last name is spelled and where that name might be found in Ireland.  Does anyone have a clue?

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