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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Shand FamilyTreeDNA help
« on: Wednesday 06 October 21 07:43 BST (UK)  »
Hello Everyone,
Need some help with my Shand Family. I have Joseph Shand b1790 traced to Rathen, Aberdeenshire. His father William Shand b1750 Methlick, Aberdeenshire d1823 Rathen, Aberdeenshire. William's father John Shand b1713 and Grandfather James Shand b1685 were from Methlick. That's as far as I can get.

I just got my results from FamilyTreeDNA. I have one Shand match. 111 markers at 3 steps. The next closest are below. Any help on this would much appreciated.

Rob Shand 111 markers at 3 steps.
Then melvin harold Munn III 111 markers at 6 steps.
Bruce Ferguson 111 markers at 6 steps.
Mr. Karon Gale Campbell 111 markers at 6 steps.
Mr. Merle M. Moore 111 markers at 7 steps.
Mr. Alex Pilkington 111 markers at 7 steps.
Jacob A McCoy 111 markers at 7 steps.
Brett McCoy 111 markers at 7 steps.
Henry (Jake ) McCoy 111 markers at 7 steps.
Clifford Carl Fargason 111 markers at 7 steps.
David McCoy 111 markers at 7 steps.

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Aberdeenshire / James Forbes Leith Shand 1828–1856
« on: Friday 26 February 21 07:45 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Everyone,

Looking for a JFL Shand born aprox 1828 in Aberdeen. Died 10Jun 1856. Here is the link to his headstone.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/108947021/james-forbes_leith-shand

 I believe I have his son born 1855 in Montreal named James Forbes Leith Shand. I am DNA related to a person who has his son in their tree.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!


Merged with previous thread.

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Mill of Rathen Information
« on: Monday 22 February 21 05:58 GMT (UK)  »
The Craigellie Shands are from Banffshire.

Any idea where the Methlick Shands came from? William Shand b1750 Methlick died 1828 Rathen. Hi family was from Methlick. He is the only sibling I have found that left Methlick. Have his father John b1713 Methlick. His father as James Shand and Isobel Lesk. Any ide where that family came from?

Quote from: GR2 on Sunday 21 February 21 22:10 GMT (UK)
There are two gravestones at Banff for the Shands of Craigellie. One with a Latin inscription begins with the father of James Shand, the first of Craigellie. He was also provost of Banff and died 5th March 1736 in his 58th year. The same stone commemorates his son James (d, 10-12-1795, aged 84), his son William (d. 3-3-1810 aged 70). Their wives are also commemorated.

The stone next to it commemorates William's son, William Shand (d 11-6-1848), and two of his sisters.

It would seem that the Shands were not necessarily resident at Craigellie, but mostly, lived in Banff where they had been since the 17th century.

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Mill of Rathen Information
« on: Sunday 21 February 21 19:28 GMT (UK)  »
William Shand b1750 Methlick to John Shand b1713 Methlick. William died 1723 in Rathen. His son Robert was at Mill of Rathen until 1848 when he died. These Shands and the Craigellie Shands in Lonmay were so close to eachother but I can't make a connection. Any thoughts?


Quote from: GR2 on Sunday 21 February 21 19:08 GMT (UK)
According to a paper delivered by Dr Cramond to the Banffshire  Field Society in 1896:

The first Shand of Craigellie was James Shand (1712-1795), three times Provost of Banff. He married twice: first to Jane Russel, daughter of Russel of Montcoffer; secondly to Margaret Calder, said to be a daughter of Sir Thomas Calder. James's eldest son, William, died in 1810, aged 80. He married Helen Ogilvie and had a son, William, born c. 1778 and died 14-6-1848.

The following is from a stone in Lonmay kirkyard:

In memory of William Shand of Craigellie Esq. d. 28 Apr. 1871 aged 64. Helen Duncan dau. of the above and Frances Mary his wife b. 24 Feb. 1836 - d. 18 March 1859. Annie Elizabeth their dau. b. 5 Sept. 1857 d. 2 Apr. 1861. Edward Erskine Tustin their son b. 23 Jan. 1849 - d. 7 Aug. 1869. Clementina Seppings their dau. b. 7 Jan. 1844 - d. Edinburgh8 Nov. 1876. Framces Anne their dau. b. 7 March 1841 - d. 4 Aug. 1899. Alao of Mary Erskine their dau. b. 31 Oct. 1854 - d. 25 July 1905. Frances Mary widow of the above William Shand b. 8 March 1815 - d. 15 Sept. 1907. Also of Ann Brown for 25 years nurse in the family of the above d. 9 Jan. 1868 aged 56.

The inscription on the neighbouring stone reads:

In memory of Stewart Rolland Shand b. 20 May 1847 - d. in the Argentine Republic 17 Oct. 1886. William Robertson Shand b. 13 Apr. 1853 - d. in South Australia 27 Oct. 1903. John Loudon Shand late of Ceylon b. Oct. 1845 - d. 25 Feb. 1932. Peter Rolland Shand b. 1851 - d. in Ceylon 30 Dec. 1933.

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Mill of Rathen Information
« on: Sunday 21 February 21 06:19 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Don,

Can you give me more info on James Shand of Craigelly? I know there was a William Shand of Craigellie born in Banff on the property/house in Lonmay during the same time my William Shand was at Mill of Rathen. Also, on the 1841 census it shows others who were from the Mill of Rathen. Was this Mill used by many? Thank you.

Quote from: DonM on Saturday 20 February 21 18:00 GMT (UK)
Following Malky's post the previous owner was a James Shand of Craigelly House which was in Lonmay.

There are a couple of entries for this family in Wills and Testaments section of Scotland's People.

Don

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Mill of Rathen Information
« on: Saturday 20 February 21 19:19 GMT (UK)  »
Have a picture of the headstone as my screen saver.

Quote from: MonicaL on Saturday 20 February 21 19:14 GMT (UK)
In case you don't have this...

6 Nov 1823 • Rathen, Aberdeenshire, Scotland Monumental Inscription: Death Information Kirkyard of Rathen-Erected by Robert Shand Mill of Rathen to the memory of his father William Shand d. 16 Nov. 1823 aged 73; his mother Isabel Bruce d. 16 Oct. 1836 aged 85. Of their children William and John died in infancy; his daughter Isabella d. 20 Nov. 1845 aged 27. Said Robert Shand d. 26 July 1848 aged 60; his wife Isabella Weir or Shand d. 9 Jan. 1851 aged 58
www.wikitree.com/wiki/Shand-61

Monica

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Mill of Rathen Information
« on: Saturday 20 February 21 17:53 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you for the info. I see you have a few names I have connected or have seen with my Shand name. Robb, Wilson, Davidson, Scott
FRASER, Henderson, Noble, Moir.

I have the the 1841 census for Rathen. The only members there in 1841 were Robert Shand b1788 died 1848, Isabella Weir b1793 died 1851 and their daughter Isabella Shand b1818 died 1845. Robert's brothers Joseph went to Canada. I believe for the War of 1812. His two other brothers John and William died in infancy. I have recently found info that there may have been a second William Shand who ended up in Montreal, Canada with Joseph.

Quote from: jennywren001 on Saturday 20 February 21 12:46 GMT (UK)
Have you looked at the original 1841 census? Your people are living at Mill of Rathen which is next to Quarryhead (multiple spellings over the years) on the schedule...Folio 1 page 3...the only mill close by is Mill Of Forrest which is Folio 1 page 1...you need to 'walk' the routes to place your mill in the landscape :)

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Aberdeenshire / New Mill of Rathen Information
« on: Thursday 11 February 21 07:48 GMT (UK)  »
I was able to get this info. Does anyone have any other info?

the Mill of Rathen had a small dam which was fed by a small stream fed by the multiple wells in the area. They filled the dam and used the water to operate the mill, refilling every night. The current owner has now filled in the dam.
There was also another mill about half a mile away at Mill Farm. Not completely sure but think there were Shands in the area until fairly recently. Hope this helps.

there are actually 3 mills in the area. There was a mill at Mill Farm (in your graphic) and also Newmill about 3/4 mile nearer to Fraserburgh.

the sign on the gate says Kirk Mill for the mill in the village. It is more likely the Shands lived in the mill across the main road at Mill Farm according to the address you have.

Quote from: Forfarian on Wednesday 10 February 21 10:20 GMT (UK)
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=57.63800&lon=-2.00463&layers=5&b=1

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Mill of Rathen Information
« on: Wednesday 10 February 21 09:23 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you Malky.

My Shands lived there until 1848 when Robert Shand died. I do believe there was a few mill in the area. On Robert b1788 Rathen and his siblings it says the father William Shand at Mill of Rathen.

Quote from: Flattybasher9 on Wednesday 10 February 21 08:50 GMT (UK)
Snippet here

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01qai/

More in Google search engine.

Malky

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