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Many thanks,
That makes it the same date as the grey haired semi coloured gentleman who we still think is David John.  It seems a big ask for David John to have gone from upright full head of hair to completley white so I think I am right this must be the elderly seated gentleman in the turn of the century picture you dated for us as Edwardian.

Heard back from Cath.  There is a bit of a mix up on my part.   It says liverpool on the back of the photograph that I thought was Australian so it cannot be them and Cath says she knows who it is being our shared 1st G Grandmothers parents.

Thank you very much for your helps jim1, you've been very kind.   I am holding out in hope that it is the Australian one and am thinking of getting the photo forensically examined or something.   There are a number of other people that it could be and we would have to get other photos dated to get a clearer picture.    However, the dating is ideal for Edward, Jane and Florence more so than any of the others.  Florence married Arthur Malin and we think they moved to New South Wales.    There is a twist to the tail which is that the standing gentleman next to the seated lady in the what could be an 1860 photo had a sister Jane Davis who was sentenced to death for 'Highway Robbery' she stole a £30 pound note and a £5 pound note and some loose change from a bank clerk on 'The Highway' in London Dockland c. 1823 she spent two years in prison and her sentence was commuted to life in Van Dieman's Land (Tasmania).   She had children although no marriages that we can find and left a legacy who we think went to New South Wales.  We haven't fully joined up the dots yet.   The dates of the photos have helped a lot and it means a lot to us.  Thanks again.

Thanks again,

The daughter we believe is Florence Fry Davis. Florence was born in Melbourne c. 1867

We've got this one which didn't have any of the card on it so we thought it was a photo of a photo and we had thought it was the same man.