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Thank you for the response Sarah. I have sent you a PM with my personal email address. I agree it would be good to compare notes.

I use findmypast.co.uk and have a tree there where I can add you as a viewer. I agree with you that we need to be very cautious on the research of others we don't know as, from my past experience, most of it is either wrong or speculative at best!

Gordon Bell
Newcastle upon Tyne

Chris / Elaine

Here are the details I have for the lineage of your families:-

Thomas Harle was born in 1742 (no details of place or occupation). He married Ann Oliver on 22 July 1765 in Ryton, Co Durham, and had 3 children however Ann died on 30 May 1772 in Winlaton, Co Durham. Thomas remarried to a Dorothy Harle on 9 November 1776 at Chester le Street, Co Durham. They had 2 children as far as I can see, including Thomas Harle, born 4 July 1779 in Winlaton. Thomas senior died 30 October 1819 in Chester le Street. I cannot trace a burial record for Dorothy.

Thomas Harle, born 4 July 1779, was a nailer by occupation. He married Sarah Ibbotson (born Leeds in c1779) at Chester le Street on 4 March 1799. They had 6 children, including Henry Harle on 22 August 1813 (at Chester le Street). Henry was the youngest child. Thomas died 12 July 1852 at Chester le Street, Sarah on 7 July 1843 also at Chester le Street.

Henry Harle, born 22 August 1813, married Isabella Dunn (born c1808 in Chester le St), on 14 February 1831 in Chester le Street. They had three children of whom Jane Sarah, born 1837 in Chester le St, was the middle child. Henry died in 1894 at Tow Law and Isabella the previous year, also at Tow Law.

We've covered part of Jane's history but to recap, she married Robert Norwood in 1857 and had 5 children from that marriage of whom 3 we believe were called Robert. We don't yet know what happened to Robert but Jane married George Reed (born c1834 in Morpeth, Northumberland) in 1874 in Newcastle upon Tyne and had a son, Henry Harle Reed, born 1874 in Durham. George died in Durham in 1892 and Jane in Co Durham in 1922.

Henry Harle Reed married Mary Jane Bellis (born c1876 in Broomside, Co Durham) in 1895 in Durham. They had 5 children including John Thomas Reed in 1896 in Durham (he was the eldest). John Thomas Reed married Margaret Grieveson in Newcastle upon Tyne in 1920.

Chris, I think you know the rest from there. By the way, did you know that there is a record of a marriage in Sunderland in 1916 between George H (presumably Harle) Reed and Ellan Grieveson. Seems like a coincidence (Elaine, was this your grandfather?).

Gordon

Christopher

Was your grandfather, Henry Harle Reed, born in Newcastle in 1920? If so, then we are related and I have information that will connect you back to Thomas Harle born in Co Durham c1742.

In relation to Annette7's discovery, Robert Norwood died in 1864 in Tow Law, aged only 30, but it was clear that the marriage to Jane Sarah was in trouble in 1861 as he is living with his parents in Tow Law at the time of the census. Jane Sarah did actually marry George Reed in 1874 in Newcastle upon Tyne, however he is listed in the indices as George REID and Jane Sarah used her maiden name of Harle.

Also Thomas Reed was John Thomas Reed and was known by his middle name.

Do get in touch if you can establish the connection with your grandfather as detailed above.

Regards

Gordon

CB

When you say that no father's details have been recorded, are you referring to the birth certificate? I have checked the 1881 census and there is a 4 year old Isabella Hogg living in Eltringham Colliery whose birth place is given as Mickley. She is living with what would appear to be her mother - Mary J Hogg, age 23, unmarried, outdoor work (ag lab), born Scotland - and her grandmother - Mary A Hogg, age 50, widow, outdoor worker, born in Birtley, Northumberland.

Mickley would then have been in Hexham Registration District and there is a birth recorded in the September 1876 quarter in Hexham under reference 10b 294. This would put Isabella's birth at 4 at the time of the census and consistent with the above information. The fact that her mother was unmarried will probably reveal that no father's name was recorded on the birth certificate but you will need to order the certificate to find that out for sure.

Regards


Gordon

Hi Adamand

Could you let me know what you have for the Bell surname please?

Many thanks

Gordon