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Staffordshire / Re: Blythe Bridge Mill
« on: Wednesday 17 April 24 16:04 BST (UK)  »
Sadly, tithe maps on the Genealogist are only available of the most expensive subscription, and simply I can't afford that together with all the other subscriptions I've got.  :(

I've looked extensively at the Mills Archive - I think the prices they charge for some of their stuff is very high. Having said that, it was one of their newsletters about millers in New Zealand that prompted me to start this particular bit of research, having offered to write a piece about my uncle William Stonyer who made a significant contribution to milling in NZ. As you may begin to appreciate, this has grown in scope somewhat significantly. I too was struck by how little information is known of many of the mills I'm researching, not only at the Mills Archive, but the MMG group as well, and a secondary aim is to try and put that right.

As I live not too far from Stoke, it might be simpler for me to make a visit to the new archive later on this year; I assume that they will have the tithe apportionment maps available to view.

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Staffordshire / Re: Blythe Bridge Mill
« on: Wednesday 17 April 24 13:38 BST (UK)  »
Allan, Molly

Thanks again for the information you have provided. May I please ask, however, if you are able to let me have links to your sources? The reason for asking is that I am curently documenting my Stonyer ancestors who were millers, and I am using an academic thesis as my template, which includes creating a comprehensive bibliography of sources that I have used during my research and that I draw upon to make any conclusions from my research.

At present, I am researching the 17th ancestors. This poses a number of significant challenges, not the least being the constant variation of the surname (e.g. Stonyer, Stonier, Stanier, Stonger, Stanger, Stonehewer, Stoner). Add to that the fact that as milers, they are mobile, and do not generally own the mill they are working. Historical documentation  about the mills generally refers either to the owner of the mill, or tenant or owner of the estate where the mill is located. Then, there seems to be a paucity of information about most mills before the mid 19th century or thereabouts. Yates maps of the 18thC are useful in showing the sites of mills, but then finding maps between then and the earliest OS maps is difficult. Tithe maps are usefull, but again don't help greatly with information before about 1840. I cannot help but note that the Staffordshire Past Track site crashed when attempts are made to use the link to Tithe Awards. I will report this when I have a moment.

The reference to shulling I haven't followed up yet myself, but the inferences that it refers to removing husks from seeds is I think correct. I have come across mills where seperating seeds from clover, for example, is carried out to make animal feed although ancilliary to the normal operation of the mill for making flour.

The Stoniers who, unusuallly, owned the freehold to Blythe Bridge Mill are not actually ancestors. I came across them during my research, but the geographical location and choice of first names for children are consistent with others that do form part of my family, and fit within the general focus of this specific piece of research on Stonyers as Millers. I will add the post 1822/1823 history of Blythe Bridge Mill as an appendix to my current research.

Thanks again for your help

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Staffordshire / Re: Blythe Bridge Mill
« on: Tuesday 16 April 24 22:35 BST (UK)  »
Alan, Molly, thank you. I had it down to look at tithe maps, just hadn't got round to it yet. I did find a couple of adverts in the Staffordshire Advertiser which confirms that William Stonier sold the mill in 1822, presumably to clear his debts. The mill was working with 3 pairs of stones at the time. It was sold and re-built and was then working 4 pairs of stones, and had a "Shulling mill" as well. I can't find anything about a Shulling mill, but suspect it could be fulling mill.  That said, shulling might mean shelling, as shelling peas, or clover for seed.

It's nice to know that I'm not the only one with a Shorter Oxford on my shelves. Should think to use it more :)

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Staffordshire / Blythe Bridge Mill
« on: Tuesday 16 April 24 15:50 BST (UK)  »
I have discovered that the mill at Blythe Bridge was re-built in 1823. A mill on the site was previously owned by a Richard Stonier, and left in his will with "the House and yard thereunto belonging the Mill Dam Dockyard pingle and Gravelly Bank"  to his son William. William was declared bankrupt in 1822, which presumably means the mill was sold to cover his debts, and the purchaser rebuilt it in its current Gothic style.

Neither the 1769 Yates map of Staffordshire, nor the earliest OS map I can find (25 inch 1882) show any of the named features. The also seems to be a dearth of information about the older mill.

Are there any maps c1822 that might show the features listed in Richard's will? And what is a "pingle".

The will also mentions "Mills", plural. Was there ever more than one mill on the site? The will is online on FindMyPast.

Any help is appreciated.

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Staffordshire / Re: Cheadle, Corn Mills
« on: Saturday 06 April 24 14:33 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for the help :)

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Staffordshire / Re: St. Giles, Cheadle
« on: Friday 05 April 24 16:07 BST (UK)  »
Thanks. :)

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Staffordshire / St. Giles, Cheadle
« on: Friday 05 April 24 14:35 BST (UK)  »
I have three people baptized at St. Giles, Cheadle, between 1747 and 1750, but the baptisms all seem to be Anglican, not Catholic. Was St. Giles Church of England before being re-built in 1841? Is there any information about the earlier church available online?

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Staffordshire / Cheadle, Corn Mills
« on: Friday 05 April 24 14:16 BST (UK)  »
I am looking for any historical information about two corn mills, the Adderley Mill, located on the river Tean to the north-west of Cheadle, and the Cheadle Corn Mill, on the Cicelley Brook/Cheadlemill Brook to the south-east of Cheadle. I am specifically intererested in the history of the mills before 1800. Any help, or suggestions where to go for this information gratefully received.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Thomas Dovey, burial?
« on: Wednesday 27 March 24 18:07 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you  :)

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