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Lanarkshire / Re: New Monkland Burials 1600 - 1700s Where are they??
« on: Tuesday 15 January 19 22:52 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks both for replying again!

Skoosh, yes that's exactly right! I knew I'd read it somewhere.  The Kipps kirk was destroyed in the reformation, as you said.  I remember reading that the ruins of the Kipps kirk were shifted by a farmer.  He probably sold the bricks lol fair enough.  I'd probably have done the same if I were a farmer trying to make a living and feed my enormous family!

So my family that I have got to - and sadly, I believe they will be my "end of line" - were born between 1714 and 1729. All eight of the children were written in the OPR as being born "in the kirk".

I've searched the Fasti database and there is no record of a Henry/HendryHendrie Reverend so I am stumped on that description of birthplace. Why on earth were the born "in the kirk"!?  No amount of googling has solved this for me.

Putting that aside, Forfarian, I commend your freezing cold walks in graveyards  ;D  I have done similar...and given up many times.  I'd love to visit Old Monkland some day to see if I can get any clues.  Maybe in the summer  ;) 

I know that the North East Scotland Family History Society has some incredible resources for all the Aberdeen/Aberdeenshire churchyards.  Books for each yard, every single stone accounted for.  I believe a lady went on a mission and did rubbings of the hard to read/older inscriptions and has produced this insanely amazing resource.  Unfortunately, none of my family hail from the 'Deen. Except us.  We're not in the books just yet  ;D ;D

I'm wondering if the Lanarkshire Family History Society has similar.  They do have a bunch of publications relating to the Monkland area.  However I am not sure how much information will be there.  Mortcloth dues have little information.  Death records, maybe a tad more.  I may buy the book and report back to you...

Take a look...  http://www.lanarkshirefhs.org.uk/mideath-pubs.html

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Lanarkshire / Re: New Monkland Burials 1600 - 1700s Where are they??
« on: Tuesday 15 January 19 19:03 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks so much for your reply!

I've tried all those :( Just no records on death at all.  I have the Mortcloth dues records so I know roughly the month/year they died.  Just can't figure out if the New Monkland Cemetery actually still has the burials from such a long time ago.

I've tried a handful of burial websites. FindAGrave, DeceasedOnline, etc. Can't see anything beyond 1800s.

I wonder if they've been long gone for a while.  I've read multiple accounts of farmers moving stones and tearing down buildings (even the first kirk!!) to make room for his animals to graze.  So perhaps they're lost forever  :-\

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Lanarkshire / New Monkland Burials 1600 - 1700s Where are they??
« on: Tuesday 15 January 19 14:55 GMT (UK)  »
Hello!

TL;DR - Got a lot of Hendry/Henry/Hendrie's in New Monkland 1600s-1800...where are they buried!?!?!

I see a lot of people researching New and Old Monkland which is amazing... unfortunately none of it relates to my tree a great deal.  Although I've enjoyed readnig all your posts so far.  It's great to see people looking into different families that I now recognise following my obsessive trawling of OPRs!  Particularly the Shanks family (any relation to the farm called Shanks farm? That's where my ancestors lived and worked.)

I have done a HUGE amount on the Hendry's of New Monkland (who then moved to Kirkintilloch, then moved into Glasgow, then came my Mum  ;D)  Fun fact - They were all Henry.  Not Hendry.  I have no idea why their names are spelled in so many different variations on the Birth/Death certs etc.  Regardless...I have a fairly complete set of the New Monkland Henry's (Hendry/Hendrie) going back to the 1650s.

Question is - back in those days, 1600-1700, was the main burial ground New Monkland Parish?  Is there a booklet I can buy that lists all grave inscriptions in the New Monkland Parish?

I live in Aberdeen now so I can't nip down to look. Sadly.

On the oldest birth certs that I have - very early 1700s - it says William Hendry & Christin Finlay lawful son/dau "at this kirk".  Whereas all other registered births on the same page have a place name assigned. Now, does that mean they lived in the Manse!?  Maybe they worked in the church. Church officer?  Reverend?  I can't find any evidence.  Something for another day.

If anyone can point me in the right direction for the location of super old New Monkland burials I'd be grateful!

Thanks all!
Helen

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Armed Forces / Royal Lanark Militia - can't find any records for James McLean (b. 1796)
« on: Saturday 22 September 18 22:28 BST (UK)  »
Hello! First time poster so please excuse any newbie errors.

I have been confidently informed that Rootschat is THE place to solve my brick wall issues. Here goes...!

I am looking at James McLean (b. 1796 +-1yr) who served as a Sergeant in the Royal Lanark Militia. Not the 1st or 2nd RLM. The dates he would have served are between 1815 and 1866.

Now I know this was a reserve regiment with volunteers as well as Ex "regular" Military soldiers. The fact that he was a Sergeant leads me to believe that he did indeed serve some time in the regular British Army.

I can't find a birth or baptism date however the 1841 census states Birthplace: Glasgow. He married Mary Hamilton (from Hamilton, where the Militia Barracks were located) in 1822. After that... I have nothing. He is not listed in the household in 1851 census and his daughter died in 1866 and James is listed as deceased.

So I have a LOT of info on this family but have hit a total blank at Militia, Military and his death.

Anyone have any ideas!?

I should mention I've trawled War Forces Records online, National Archives, British Newspaper Archives, Scotland's People, Ancestry and various Google Books and Military websites..Nothing!!  Spent a fortune!!

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