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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / What do you make of this mark? (Marriage Banns Record)
« on: Saturday 13 October 18 23:36 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

Could you tell me what the mark after the M stands for please?

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: My brick wall! Henry Dugen (Duggan/Douggin/Dugan) 1853-1875
« on: Thursday 04 October 18 15:51 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Dundee on Thursday 04 October 18 14:08 BST (UK)
He was probably the son of Ann, but baptised as the son of her parents  ::)

The surname is DOUGAN in the image

Debra  :)

Thanks Debra, you’re quite possibly right but I’ve found this family before and I don’t have a gut feeling for them. There is lots of repetition of family names in the tree, but no Ann’s, Mary’s or Johns, and the date isn’t quite right (if you believe the marriage and death ages that is). Sigh

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Family History Beginners Board / My brick wall! Henry Dugen (Duggan/Douggin/Dugan) 1853-1875
« on: Thursday 04 October 18 13:41 BST (UK)  »
I've hit a brick wall! I'm just wondering if any of you knowledgeable people could offer any gems of hope as I am no expert at this.
My 3rd Great Grandfather Henry Dugen 1853(abt)- 1875 lived in Barton upon Irwell / Irlam
•   He went by the name 'DugAn' on his death certificate 15th April 1875 (wife’s name and location confirm this is him)
•   He went by the name DugGAn on his burial record 18th April 1875 (age, date and location – same church as his marriage - make this highly likely to be the same person)
•   He went by the name DugEn on the marriage index & Certificate, 13th July 1873 (to Eliza Hurst) when he was 20 years old, living in Irlam. There is no Fathers name listed on the certificate, therefore I cannot trace him back any further. No signature either which I have assumed implies he is illiterate, and would explain all the different spellings of the surname.
•   He (his wife and his son) all went by the name DOugGIn on their son’s birth certificate (Thomas Henry Dugen/Douggin) Wifes name, location, date confirm this is highly likely to be him.
•   I can’t find him on any Census records
•   I can’t find his birth, but I have surmised that his birthday is between 16th April 1853 and 12th July 1853. This is worked out due to him being 20yrs old at his marriage on July 13th 1873, and being 21yrs old at his death on 15th April 1875.

What I’ve tried so far:
•   Ancestry search for D*g*n, its brought up a number of different spellings and outside possibilities, but none that I can actually verify.
•   No obvious link to the family when researching the witnesses of his marriage (they are all similarly aged)

So with no fathers name, or mothers name, and so many variations of surname, do I stand any chance of finding out any more than this? There is a strong family opinion that the family line originated in Ireland, perhaps that’s where he is from, but I can’t find anything that verifies it’s the same person (actually I cant find anything at all!).
Help?

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: (Edited!) Help with Death Certificate Handwriting
« on: Thursday 20 September 18 16:53 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: avm228 on Thursday 20 September 18 16:43 BST (UK)
There's a different spelling of the surname on the son's birth registration:

Thomas Henry DOUGGIN, mother's maiden name Hurst, Sep qtr 1873 Barton on Irwell 8c 569.

Unfortunately house numbers often aren't included, as you've seen from the death certificate.

Thank you So So much! I have spent all day on this one person and you have found out about the spelling error for his son and the church of his burial which I didnt already know! I am really battling with the illiteracy of this generation and trying to make the links between different spellings of transcribers/recorders.

I dont have time sadly to look at this (just whilst I'm in the throws of it all) but I will look this evening. Can I ask what document gave you the church where he was buried please, and where did you search out the Douggin record?
Thanks again.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with Death Certificate Handwriting
« on: Thursday 20 September 18 16:37 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Winslass on Thursday 20 September 18 16:27 BST (UK)

 Ellesmere Street?

 Winslass

I'm pleased to say there is an Ellesmere Street in Partricroft, Irlam, and the baptism of his son a year earlier he was listed as living in Patricroft!. Just been down it on Google Earth, but sadly it is now all 1960's housing. My next steps will be to dig out map archives to double check, and if I order the son's birth certificate perhaps that will give a number of abode! Thanks. X

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with Death Certificate Handwriting
« on: Thursday 20 September 18 16:29 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Winslass on Thursday 20 September 18 16:27 BST (UK)

 Ellesmere Street?

 Winslass

Thanks for the pointer, it looks feasible! I'm all over it right now!  ;)

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with Death Certificate Handwriting
« on: Thursday 20 September 18 16:24 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: rosie99 on Thursday 20 September 18 15:45 BST (UK)

Where did the death take place

Thank you.
The death was registered in the subdistrict of Barton, Barton upon Irwell, Lancaster. Other closely related areas geographically and in the family tree are: Eccles, Patricroft, Irlam.

I have just seen the address! I can not believe I have missed this for so long! .... but I can't make it out, something street?

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / (Edited!) Help with Death Certificate Handwriting
« on: Thursday 20 September 18 15:40 BST (UK)  »
Hello  :) this is my first time posting!
(Edited: I can not believe that I have missed this for so long, I have noticed the street name in the date column, I cant work it out, above all else I would love help with this, photo added in the comments below - it wont let me add it to the original question)
Could you help with this certificate please. It’s for my family tree nemesis/brick wall. It won’t help solve the dead end but I’m keen to learn what I can:
First box, cause of death; Broncititis 3months? Then what does the rest say?
Second box: x the mark of Eliza Dugan, Widow of deceased, present at the death... but what’s the last word? If it’s an address it would be a huge advantage to me.
Thank you

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