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Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Re: Help Identifying Family Crest PLEASE!!!
« on: Wednesday 31 October 18 11:35 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks so much, KGarrad!! I appreciate you explaining it all to me. And that website is useful as well.

So since this is a coat of arms, how would one go about determining which member of the Betts family this belonged to? Or could it have been for multiple male descendants?

Thank you!

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Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Re: Help Identifying Family Crest PLEASE!!!
« on: Wednesday 31 October 18 01:13 GMT (UK)  »
Also, from the website http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Betts they mention the crest: "A Coat of Arms granted to a Betts family from Suffolk is described thus: "Sable (black) on a bend argent (silver) three cinquefoils gules (red) all within a bordure engrailed of the second. Crest - Out of a ducal coronet or (gold), a buck's head gules attired gold"."

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Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Re: Help Identifying Family Crest PLEASE!!!
« on: Wednesday 31 October 18 01:11 GMT (UK)  »
A quick Google search of "betts family" shows this link: https://www.billputman.com/Betts.pdf
Does this line up with the other history about the Betts who founded Guilford, Connecticut?

Many thanks, as always!

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Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Re: Help Identifying Family Crest PLEASE!!!
« on: Wednesday 31 October 18 00:50 GMT (UK)  »
Also, the book was published in 1871! Here's a picture of the backside of the publication page.

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Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Re: Help Identifying Family Crest PLEASE!!!
« on: Wednesday 31 October 18 00:33 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you all for your incredible help!! This is more information than I ever expected to receive!! If I may ask some follow up questions, please.

What is argent, or, and NB?

So I guess the consensus is that this crest belongs to the Betts family? Where did you look up those details about the family themselves? It's just that, when I have a historical item and I know who/what family it belongs to, I like to know as much about them as possible so that I can know and appreciate them better.

Also, this may be a simple question, but can you please explain the parts of the coats of arms to me? Is the sable the diagonal line that the flowers are on? What are cinquefoil gules? What does "Issuant from a ducal coronet or a buck's head gules attired or gorged argent" mean? Is that quoted directly from the book? I apologize for the simple nature of these questions, but I am a newbie when it comes to this.

And also, the Betts family came to America before 1687, but at the very latest then, correct? Or is 1639 more accurate?

Any idea where I can find out more about the family, and can possible look for those two names I have so I can look for a link between the book itself and the family? Can you possibly make out the second name on that book inscription?

Thank you!!

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Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Re: Help Identifying Family Crest PLEASE!!!
« on: Tuesday 30 October 18 20:35 GMT (UK)  »
It seems to be drawn and colored with brown and black if you zoom in. How would I go back and find the RootsChatter? What topic or thread would that be under? I'm new to this site, so any help is appreciated! And that would be amazing if it was The White Hart, along with all of the other info you said! I'm not sure if they're meant to be cinquefoils or not. It seems that the drawing of those flowers varies quite a bit.

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Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Re: Help Identifying Family Crest PLEASE!!!
« on: Tuesday 30 October 18 20:30 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Annie!

I have no idea what surnames would be associated with it. This was found in the pages of an antique book called "Songs of the Heart" published in New York in 1872. The book was a gift for Christmas 1871 to 'Katie' from someone whose name I cannot identify. Please see the attached pictures to. Thanks!

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Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Help Identifying Family Crest PLEASE!!!
« on: Tuesday 30 October 18 19:23 GMT (UK)  »
Hello!

I have this drawing of a family crest I am trying to identify. After doing some research, I realize that it is probably actually not finished. There is no surname/family name on the Crest, but I really would appreciate any and all help in identifying this in any way! I really need and would love to know more about this. Thank you!

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