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Hi Dale,

Thanks for your reply.

My Grandfather was involved in the Anti-partition league in St. Helens and in 1952(?) he led a group on a tour of south east Ireland (possibly some kind of fund raising tour). Most of the article is about meeting various people in County Kilkenny and the cause of Irish unity. However one paragraph reads "Mr Fogarty told me that his paternal grandparents came from Tullaroan and he was sorry that he was not able to attend Nowlan Park to see Tullaroan play in the senior hurling championship". His grandmother, Theresa Fleming, came from Inistioge and not Tullaroan but his Grandfather was Philip Fogarty who was born in County Kilkenny around 1837-1841, the son of John Fogarty, a farmer. Although I never found a John or Philip Fogarty in Tullaroan, I found a John Fogarty in Rathmacan. Unfortunately I didn't find a Philip Fogarty at the right time. Philip died in St. Helens in January 1891 aged 53.

I hope that makes sense Dale. Best Wishes, John.

Hi KG,

Thanks for your reply, that's one interesting website. I've tried to find Rathmacan before on google maps and could only find 3 or 4 houses there. My question is though what is a townland exactly?

Many thanks and best wishes, John.

Hi Hallmark,

Thanks for replying, that's some very interesting info.

Back to my original post where I mentioned that his grandparents came from Tullaroan, this John Fogarty is one of two I found in the area. The other John Fogarty did have a son called Philip (b.1832, 5 years too early) but the whole of this family emigrated to the USA. I'm not suggesting that either man is related to Schooly and myself, but what I found in the newspaper cutting makes it a good chance he may be.

John Fogarty and Catherine Sheehan as I mentioned had at least 4 children and they were:

Mary, bapt. 23/12/1839 in Ballingarry - residence was "vil" but the page was torn. I think this could have meant village.

Judith, bapt 23/2/1845 in Tullaroan.

James, bapt. 24/4/1847 in Tullaroan.

Ellen, bapt. 18/9/1852 also in Tullaroan and the residence like Judith and James was Rathmacan.


I can't find anything for a Philip Fogarty born in 1837-1838 and I can't find a marriage record for John Fogarty and Catherine Sheehan.

Thanks again for your help.
Best Wishes, John.

P.S Don't worry about those typos. If Schooly is my Mum's cousin Jim, he was an English teacher, he'll be all over them 

Hi Schooly,

I don't know if you're still researching the Fogarty family in Kilkenny but I have some information that might be of interest. Unfortunately I'm going to work in the next few minutes, so I'll only be able to do this later on tonight.

Best Wishes, John.