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Australia / Re: Emigration to Victoria - Thomas MACKEY
« on: Monday 26 December 22 12:05 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Katherine,
Great advice and links for all thanks. I omitted to mention in my previous post that although I mentioned my Mackey line in the context of County Clare they were in fact a family of siblings that came out at different times via chain migration to Tasmania. If anyone is working on a Mackey family in Tasmania I am more then happy to share the extensive records, photos etc. I have on them that I have been collecting since the 1970s.

Regards
Ralph Mackey
Perth Australia

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Australia / Re: Emigration to Victoria - Thomas MACKEY
« on: Monday 26 December 22 10:38 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,
Firstly I don't have any information directly about your line but can share general information on the Mackey families between County Tipperary, Limerick and Clare. I have researched a lot of the deep origins of the Mackey Sept and more recently, as a Mackey myself, have had a detailed Y DNA test done which I can share.  So if any males of your Mackey line had their Y-DNA done I would be keen to contact them?
Now about the Mackeys in general. Firstly, there are Mackeys and there are Mackeys and the later are not related. Basically, the former, my group are an Irish Sept.
The latter Mackeys, who are amply represented in the Mackay and McGee Group projects are typified as Ulster Scots. Descendants of persons from Scotland who arrived in Ulster as part of the 16th and 17th Century Ulster Plantation.
Regardless common variations are MacKay, Mackie, McKay, Mackeiy, Mackeyy, Mackeye, McKey, Makey, Macke, Macky, Kee, Key. But it would seem that my Mackey line is the product of a none parental event (NPE) which seems to involve a Connor (1650s) and in turn a Daly (1450s).
The Irish Mackeys point of historical origin was in and around Ballymackey Civil Parish, Baile Uí Mhacaí,  in County Tipperary with an area of 39.3 km² / 9,714.2 acres / 15.2 square miles.
Ballymackey on the map:
See https://www.townlands.ie/tipperary/ballymackey2/
Ballymackey literally translates as the farmland of the Mackeys. The location Ballymackey, the earlier references in its Irish form, is mentioned in various records starting around the 1400s. Of genealogical interest is the listing of in the 1659 Census 6 Mackey households reported in Kilnamanagh Baroney several kilometres due south of Ballymackey.
Historically my Mackey ancestors from their historical centre in Tipperary followed a geographical arc through Limerick and ended up westward in NE County Clare. Around C. 1650 there appears to be a NPE involving a Connor somewhere along that arc. Hence my interest in your Limerick Mackey line. Likewise your Mackeys most likely were part of the Cromwellian diaspora as well but ended up in Limerick.
Tracing back in time from what I know of my direct line, my earliest documented Mackey direct male ancestor is a Michael Mackey who in 1824 is listed as a hedge schoolteacher at Ballydoora, Carran Civil Parish, County Clare Ireland. Previous to 1830 when schools were nationalised in Ireland the various denominations ran schools. The hedge schools were funded by the Catholic church.
Ballydoora on the map:
https://www.townlands.ie/clare/burren/carran/castletown/ballydoora/
I have strong reason to believe that Michael was not actually from Ballydoora but most likely descended from one of the Mackey multi-generational clusters westward around Kilfenora, north around Ballyvaughan or more likely south around Corofin and Ennis. One of my first DNA goals is to find which group of Mackeys he came from and find living Mackey descendants for DNA testing.
The other more immediate focus is looking at what the Connor and Mackey close relationship could tell us.
As an aside I am quite an experienced Irish Family Historian and would happily help to untangle any Irish research challenges you may have.

Regards
Ralph Mackey
Perth, Australia

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Clare / Re: Chain Migration of Mackey and related families from County Clare
« on: Wednesday 31 July 19 11:51 BST (UK)  »
Hi Justin,
Sounds like you have a lot of material I don't have about Pat O'Brien and Mary Mackey. I always knew that couple were the key as Patrick sponsored my GG-Father when he came out as per the shipping record. Now in terms of material I have an older version of the tree on Ancestry.com without a lot on it compared to the material I have:

https://www.ancestry.com.au/family-tree/tree/23685251/family

Currently I have built out my tree in FamilySearch.  There are also a lot of Mackey family photos there. If you go to Cyril Stanley Joseph Mackey ( I have I currently have built out my tree in FamilySearch) you will pick up my tree.

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/K8JW-PZH


Most of my material is linked on there now. If you message me on there I will arrange to send you my email & also happy to chat on the phone. I have several extensive documents (done by another researcher) on the descendants of the original Mackeys that is not even on FamilySearch because a lot of the people are still alive. This goes all the way forward to about 10 years ago so its really good. Going back in Ireland - I have quite a lot of experience with researching Irish Ancestry so once we share notes I am sure we will find something. Although our Mackeys left just before civil registration and when most catholic registers were kept. We do have the irish records of James Mackey and his wife though as well as your's i appears.

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Clare / Chain Migration of Mackey and related families from County Clare
« on: Thursday 11 July 19 09:40 BST (UK)  »
5 Mackey individuals migrated from the Burren in County Clare to Tasmania in the mid 19th Century. The attached jpg shows examples of their inter-relationships in Tasmania. The two girls, Mary O'Brien (nee Mackey) and Bridget Wilson (nee Mackey) married into Irish families I believe who came from Clare as well, i.e. to Patrick O'Brien and to William Wilson. The men, James Mackey, Michael Mackey & Thomas Mackey married girls that come from Clare family names as well, i.e. Mary Callaghan (from Carran Parish, Clare), Ellen Stanford (from Ballinasloe, Galway), Bridget Mary Fitzpatrick (Probably Carran Parish, Clare) respectively.
As this is a case of chain migration I am looking at connecting up with any of the related families on any information on where they were located in County Clare.
Other then references to coming from Ireland and also County Clare - we also have reference to Carran Parish as well as to Corofin (the closest 'big town').

All the details are recorded on FamilySearch under this ID:

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/G9HL-6B4

Also besides what is published on FamilySearch I have a copy of the descendants of the 5 Mackeys put together by another researcher.

To help with searches here are the 'Mackey' surname variations on the different sites:
Mackey
M'Kay
Mac Quay
MacAodha
Macky
Maky
McCee
McQuay
McQue
O Macdha
McCay
McGuy
Macken

Thanks
Ralph


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Galway / Re: Nelly brothers from perhaps Gort
« on: Thursday 11 July 19 06:42 BST (UK)  »
Hi Kevin - I forgot to ask but do you have the citations recorded of these Whiteboy newspaper and Assize records etc you are referring to so I can add them to Malachi Hardiman's record (KD9T-85R) on FamilySearch? Thanks Ralph

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Galway / Re: Nelly brothers from perhaps Gort
« on: Thursday 11 July 19 06:33 BST (UK)  »
Hi Kevin - thanks for your posting there is a lot of good material on this group of Whiteboys and their conviction.  You have filled in some blanks for me. Malachy Hardiman, one of the Whiteboys you listed, was my 3rd GG-father. I have recorded all the information I have on him at https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/KD9T-85R .  I have some details on where Malachi was born as he was quite specific about the place in 1862 when his son was registered. My analysis of this is on a discussion on Familysearch (Copied below). His birth location may help with co-locating these people or not:

Where and when was Malachi Hardiman born?
Malachi was born between 1811 and 1817 (1,2,3,4) in the County of Galway (1,2,3,4) in a place pronounced 'Barnway'.
'Barnway' is the anglicised phonetic rendering of the name of his birthplace he told the clerk in 1862 when his son
James William Hardiman's birth was registered. We know that 'Barnway' is in County Galway although there is literally
no such place of this exact name.
Happily the public library in Galway has a website that provides the reverse engineering of angliscised place names into
the actual Irish placename. So without giving a spoiler try this experimemt:
Step 1) Navigate to http://places.galwaylibrary.ie/place
Step 2) Enter the placename Barnway into the 'Enter place name' field
Step 3) Select the 'Sounds like' option
Step 4) Before you press 'Search', repeat the name Barnway 3 times in your best irish accent
Step 5) Click the 'Search' button
Step 6) The result is 3 references to a place called Barnawee aka Barney Wee
Step 7) Now repeat the name Barnway 3 times in your best irish accent - it is the same place name!

- Barnawee / Barney wee with the names standardised to Barnaboy, precipices in the civil parish of Ballynakill in
 the barony of Ballynahinch.
- Barnawee standardised to Barnaboy, a townland in the civily parish of Kilkivery and the barony of clare.

The 3 places listed, 2 a precipice and one a townland, have all been standardised to the name Barnaboy.
The Barnawee townland in Kilkilvery civl parish is the only 'livable' place of the three - as living on precipices is problematic.
Kilkilvery civil parish has several villages (5), i.e. Ballycolgan Upper and Lower; Caltragh and Skeaghbeg and includes the townland of
Barnaboy (aka Barnawee) which is described as "Proprietor Charles Blake, Esq., Merlin Park, Co. Galway. All let to Pat Lynch, Esq.,
 Clogher, Co. Mayo, under a lease of 21 years. Rent 55 shillings per acre. On the western extremity of this townland stands the
handsome cottage of Barnawee or Moyne Hill, commanding a prospect of the picturesque country around etc. Co. Cess 14d. paid per
 acre half yearly. No antiquities.".
Banaboy was situated as (6) "In the North West corner of the parish, bounded on the North and West by the parish of Shruil, Co. Mayo,
South by the parish of Killursa and townland Ballyfruit and on the East by Thoneroe. In the Barony of Clare and County of Galway".
Although there are villages across Kilkilvery civil parish, Malachi or his parents, as they lived in Barnaboy, were probably cottiers
in the Barnaboy townland - townlands essentially being a farm or farms anyway. Sizewise Banaboy townland is 209 acres 1 rod and 2 perches
in area and in 1840 had buildings on it - to the value of 38 pounds (6).

From a genealogical perspective the following is known about the location and could lead to search options:
- Townland: Barnaboy aka Barnawee
- Civil Parish: Kilkilvery
- Barony: Barony of Clare
- County: Galway

So any references to the surname Hardiman in and around this locality woud be of interest.

(1) 43 years old on birth certificate of dau. Emily on 20 Jun 1858 (born abt 1815 in Galway County)
(2) 45 years old on birth certificate of son James W. on 28 Mar 1862 (born abt 1817 Barnway<sic> County)
(3) 50 years old on birth certificate of dau. Margaret on 29 Aug 1866 (born abt 1816 Galway County)
(4) 72 years old on death certificate and tombstone on 27 Mar 1883 (born abt 1811 co. Galway)
(5) See http://places.galwaylibrary.ie/parish/29927 noting that the quote is from the 1840s which is when Malachi was still there.
(6) See http://places.galwaylibrary.ie/place/29959


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