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Scotland / Re: Where might this be?
« on: Wednesday 19 July 23 09:47 BST (UK)  »
Ah, excellent, thanks for that resource 👏🏻👏🏻

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Scotland / Re: Where might this be?
« on: Tuesday 18 July 23 20:59 BST (UK)  »
Mmm, there’s the rub Forfarian, not to be trusted!

How are you accessing this census data? I find it pretty hit & miss, but you seem to have got the hang of it

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Scotland / Re: Where might this be?
« on: Tuesday 18 July 23 18:49 BST (UK)  »
Valid points there Forfarian, are there searchable apprentice lists perhaps? I see mention comes up periodically 🤔 If we could make this connection it would go some way to solving where Slater came from, even William tbh.

I just feel there is a missing link somewhere - how did we go from James Brown gamekeeper to Henry Raeburn tailor? I wonder if a sibling “James” perhaps died early, also, only 2 children Ann & Henry is really unusual for the period.

I wish we were dealing with Cornish records, they are far more comprehensive, sigh…

As for the other mystery, no, not Scotland at all, rather Denmark, South Africa & Rhodesia

Another mystery I’ve stumbled on is the father of Roberts Dods 1650-1675 b Dunbar called Dods of Dunbar who is 3rd GGF to Sir William Slater Brown’s wife Margaret Dodds 1840-1912, is missing parents. Others claim it is Nicolaus Dunbar 1625-1665, but he was born in Elgin, so over 200 miles from Dunbar. That doesn’t make sense unless the Dods of Dunbar refers to Nicolaus Dunbar rather than the place. What do you think?

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Scotland / Re: Where might this be?
« on: Tuesday 18 July 23 06:43 BST (UK)  »
Sigh, it was fun cobbling together though…..

Actually, the previous contributor c-side who tracked down Janet Richardson’s family did a pretty good job, they all checked out so far except the sibling Robert. It’s just James Brown’s side that remains stubbornly blank.

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Scotland / Re: Where might this be?
« on: Monday 17 July 23 18:47 BST (UK)  »
Well then Forfarian, you are my husband’s first cousin by marriage 😉

So on to my wild theory - James Brown & Janet Richardson seem to be ghosts, appearing from nowhere, sadly the previous poster who was looking into Janet appears to now be deceased, so we can’t even ask her what she found 🙁

This total lack of a history for James & the sudden appearance of the persisting Henry Raeburn name is eerily coincidental considering the shared connection with Stockbridge, don’t you agree?

Read this https://www.ucl.ac.uk/lbs/person/view/2146663917

Some theories: first, James Brown is in fact a descendant of this James Brown, or second, perhaps the ghost James had a secret second life in Jamaica? Yet another theory is the family in Edinburgh that Isabella got sent to was the Slater Brown descendant? The fact that her portrait was painted by Raeburn perhaps sparked the name being adopted so firmly for so many generations?

Another thought is James Brown the ghost was somehow a recipient of the uplift of Stockbridge that is attributed directly to Raeburn https://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/edinburgh/stockbridge/index.html & James then used his name for his son as a token of appreciation?

Lastly, this was suggested by a recently discovered 3rd cousin, “The story I have been told is that one of my great, great, great grandfathers was a Taylor and a Neighbour of the portrait artist Henry Raeburn and because they were friends, this is where the name came from.”

I’m assuming you have easier access to records in Edinburgh, so perhaps one of these theories sparks your interest & you fancy a challenge 🤔

Finally, I found a link to a biography of the portrait artist written by his great grandson that may/may not hold some tantalising clues…

https://electricscotland.com/history/other/Life-of-Sir-Henry-Raeburn.pdf

I would chase this down but I’m neck deep in an MSc, so dare not 😂


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Scotland / Re: Where might this be?
« on: Monday 17 July 23 16:08 BST (UK)  »
Just a quick one, are you referring to Jeremy whose father William was an MD? If yes, you are definitely family!

I will launch into my wild theory this evening when I have some time.

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Scotland / Re: Where might this be?
« on: Monday 17 July 23 13:04 BST (UK)  »
Hello Forfarian, are you any further forward or have you declared this a brick wall?

My husband recently had a DNA test & Im busy working my way through the connections & a 3rd cousin led me right back to the Henry Raeburn mystery. I have a wild theory to throw out if anyone would like to hear it?

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Midlothian / Re: Henry Raeburn Brown
« on: Sunday 29 September 19 22:31 BST (UK)  »
Wow Forfarian! This is incredible!

Rae was obviously a very reticent man & seldom discussed his family, but a 4th son is ringing distant bells for my husband.  I only confirmed DMS Brown's existence yesterday via Forces Records & ScotlandsPeople, so this is an amazing discovery & we are very excited you replied!

Did William & your aunt have children? If so, there are cousins out there we'd love to contact & possibly even meet one day.  Again, DMS Brown may have had children, we have no idea.....

I am not sure how to go about sending a PM as this is the first time I've used rootschat.com

Do you Facebook?

I will leave discussion about the KIA in Gaza HR Brown for another time as I have yet to figure how he fits in to the picture I have.  Genealogy is not made easy by several generations using the same names! However, I am glad to confirm the Sir William connection as I couldn't quite believe it & I had Helen Clyde as a spouse of one of Sir William's sons, not a child of theirs.

Thank you for reaching out all those years ago, time to catch up....

Rgds

Chawi

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Midlothian / Re: Henry Raeburn Brown
« on: Sunday 29 September 19 18:59 BST (UK)  »
I know of four Henry Raeburn Browns.

1. Born about 1806/7 in Edinburgh, master tailor, married Helen Clyde, died 29 March 1852 in Edinburgh.

2. Grandson of No1 by his son Sir William Slater Brown, born 1869 in Edinburgh, died unmarried in 1947 in Edinburgh.

3. Grandson of No1 by his son Henry Brown born 1879 in Edinburgh, married Annie Baillie Phillips, killed in Palestine 1917

4. Born in Edinburgh 1917, probably the one who married Joan Day in Edinburgh in 1947, no further information

Henry Brown, son of No 1 and father of No 3, may or may not have used the middle name Raeburn, but I have yet to come across a documentary record in which the middle name occurs.

Can you give me more information about your five Henry Raeburn Browns?

Forfarian, as far as I can tell & have been able to document, Slater as a Christian/middle name was first given to Sir William, no-one else in his immediate family went by Slater until his & Margaret Dod's third son, William Slater, surname Brown, born 1875 in Endinburgh.

William had 3 brothers, eldest Henry Raeburn Brown, born 1869, died 1947 (your No. 2); George Dods Brown, a councillor, born 1872, died 1942 & Robert Dods Brown, born around 1879, death unknown. He also had 2 sisters, Margaret Ann Brown, born 1866 & Willemina Brown, born about 1876.

William Slater Brown married Agnes Euphemia McArthy in 1911 & they had 3 sons.  Eldest David Maitland Slater Brown, born 1914 & mentioned in No 2. Henry Raeburn Brown's will as he died childless; middle son Henry Raeburn Slater Brown, born Edinburgh 1917 (your No. 4), married Joan Day nee Barker (born 1918, Rhodesia) in 1945; youngest son Alexander McArthy Slater Brown, born 1921 & KIA Hong Kong in 1942.  All WWII/MOD records for David, Henry & Alexander had Slater as a middle name & Brown as surname.

Henry & Joan both returned to Rhodesia post WWII, took up service land, started a family & died there in 1978 & 2007 respectively. It was at this stage, in Rhodesia, that Slater (Christian name) became Slater-Brown (surname) in the next generation of documentation & their eldest son (my husband) was born Raeburn Graham Slater-Brown in Rhodesia in 1950.

Hope this helps clear up some of your questions? Though it opens up new questions for me regarding the Henry Raeburn who died in Gaza as I haven't made that connection as yet though I came across various dox whilst searching....

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