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The Lighter Side / Re: Death date
« on: Tuesday 07 July 20 14:13 BST (UK)  »
Sometimes I can spend that long trawling through someone's past I go beyond what I am even looking for and lose sight. A fresh pair of eyes and others opinions are a new lease of life into the inquiry.

I think it's amazing the help others give people as its not their family and its their time too. Roots chat has helped me on 3 occasions now with stuff I couldn't have imagined.

This is a great forum and I hope I can help somebody else out one day 😊

Quote from: Tickettyboo
link=topic=832129.msg6988848#msg6988848 date=1594123559
I really like your recap Tickettyboo. I often get completely confused when reading threads on rootschat, so this is brilliant. I hope the op appreciated it too.

Most of the threads in here are a collaborative effort with everyone pitching in and helping where they can - which is really good as it brings together a variety of different sources, experience etc. Often folk spot something that others have not.
It does mean that sometimes info is given out of sequence, or what one person gives as  a 'possible' is perhaps discounted by what someone else finds later.

If its a query I have posted that ends up a bit convoluted I use the PRINT button at the top of the thread. It produces a text only file with all the posts. I don't print it, but I do save the file.
From there I can copy and paste bits and put them into a timeline  (as I did for this 're-cap') to see it as a whole and check it all out. (not that I disbelieve the replies but because I am a belt n braces person)

Boo

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The Lighter Side / Re: Death date
« on: Tuesday 07 July 20 12:35 BST (UK)  »
Hello Boo,

Wow thank you so much for all this info. I really appreciate your time looking into it. I have taken a screen shot to keep referencing your info!

You're a star - thanks again  ;D

The marriage you refer to in Newington to Martha Mepham is also what I have seen but on Findmypast it also states an option of Mary Clark.


I looked, it gives 4 options for a spouse as the GRO indexed 4 marriages on that page and at that time they did not cross reference the bride and groom, so we (and Find My Past) don't know which of the 4 was the bride of John Partis.
The options were: Mary Clark, Martha Mepham, Susan Trim, Hannah Sells

I have access to the parish marriage registers and checked them
St Mary Newington
page 108, entry 216 John Walton married Susan Trim
page 109, entry 217 John Partis married Martha Mepham
page 109, emtry 218 George Butchard married Mary Clark
page 110, entry 219 George Batchelor married Hannah Sells

The entry for John Partis says he was of full age a Bachelor, occupation pastry cook and his Dad was John Partis a shipwright. Those details for his father do not match with the baptism record you have and say you are sure about.

re-cap of info given already in this thread:

 John Waldron Partis married a Mary Alderton Q4 1841 St Pancras vol 1 page 271

The image for that marriage in the parish register is here:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSFH-QSBF-S?i=199&cat=135902

you need to sign into family search (its free to create and use an account)  to see the image
That entry says that John Waldren Partis was of full age, a bachelor, ocupation painter, father Richard, a butcher.
and those father's details DO match with the baptism record.

1851 census Piece 1496, folio30, page52 (indexed on FindMyPast as PARTES)
John Partis Head married age 37, occ Painter ,born NORTHUMBERLAND
Mary Ann wife 32 born B*nstead, Hampshire
Mary Ann daughter, age 8
John son age 7
Mary daughter age 5
Emma daughter age 2
Ellen daughter age 0

1861 census (indexed on FindMyPast as PARKIS)
 RG09/96 f122 p76 - St Pancras

John Waldson Partis   47   occ   Painter   bn Morpeth, Northumberland
Mary   46   bn Hampshire
Mary A 18   
Williams T    9   
Henry J  7   
George F    2   


1871 census Piece 203 folio 43 page 78

John Partis Head, 57, occ House Painter, born Morpeth, Northumberland
Mary wife 52, born Binsted Hampshire
William son, 19 occ painter's labourer
George, son 12, scholar

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/ - need to sign up for a free account to search
This site gives mother's maiden names for births and ages at death for all years
1842 Q3 St Pancras Mary Ann PARTIS mmn ALDERTON
1844 Q1 Stepney John Richard PARTIS mmn ALDERTON
1845 Q3 St Pancras Maria Elizabeth PARTIS mmn ALDERTON - died Q2 1853- St Pancras, age 8
1848 Q3 St Pancras Emma Grace PARTIS mmn ALDERTON - died Q1 1856 St Pancras, age 7
1850 Q3 St Pancras Ellen Jane PARTIS mmn ALDERTON  - died Q1 1856 St Pancras, age 5
1852 Q1 St Pancras William Thomas PARTIS mmn ALDERTON
1853 Q4 St Pancras Henry Joseph PARTIS mmn ALDERTON - died Q2 1866 St Pancras aged 13
1859 Q1 Pancras George Frederick PARTIS mmn ALDERTON

John Waldron Partis died Q3 1871 St Pancras aged 57, burial 07 Aug 1871, Camden

in 1863 Mary Ann Partis married Robert Cambridge Woodard at Trinity Church Marylebone, her father was recorded as John Waldron Partis, a painter. He was a witness and signed John W Partis

According to William Thomas Partis' marriage record to Ann Elizabeth Turner in 1887, Lincoln St Swithin his dad was, as you say, John Richard Partis a painter. Please bear in mind you don't know WHO gave the info, and whoever did may have thought as he had a brother called John Richard that his Dad was also John Richard - or it may have been given as John Waldron when they first went along to arrange for the banns to be read, the vicar, as they did, scribbled the info on a piece of paper and misread it when he wrote out the register in advance ready for them to sign . I've seen odder errors. In later census years William Thomas is shown as being born in 1852, London which is either a good match for the above census returns and birth reg or a big co-incidence.

Given all the above, I really think that on balance this is the family you are looking for. The chances of another John Partis, who was born c1813 in Morpeth, Dad Richard, a butcher ending up in London are slim. I can't explain the sudden appearance of a middle name Waldren but the rest of the evidence has enough checking points on birthplaces and ages to make it all highly likely.

Only you can decide though, its not my family :-)

Boo

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The Lighter Side / Re: Dunston, Lincolnshire
« on: Saturday 04 July 20 14:42 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for this. I definitely will!

You may like to consider contacting the Society for Lincolnshire History and Archaeology.

http://www.slha.org.uk/info/contact/index.php

They may have something or know where you could look.

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The Lighter Side / Re: Dunston, Lincolnshire
« on: Saturday 04 July 20 14:41 BST (UK)  »
Hi there. Thanks for the reply. Yes that's the building. I am just curious to see what it looked like when it was a pub. :)


Not too sure if this is what you are looking for?

https://www.thehouseshop.com/property-for-sale/butchers-arms-middle-street-dunston-lincoln-ln4-2ew/875223

May have been added to or altered as I don't know what the original building looked like.

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The Lighter Side / Dunston, Lincolnshire
« on: Friday 03 July 20 14:10 BST (UK)  »
Hi there, my third great grandad (Thomas Hardy) was a publican of the Butcher's Arm's in Dunston, Lincolnshire on the 1891 census. I am after a photo of the pub, whilst it was still a pub. I have seen it now, it's a house. Would just love to see an old photo of it. I've googled endlessly and can't come across anything. Thanks in advance :) Jade.

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The Lighter Side / Re: Mystery woman!
« on: Saturday 13 June 20 19:53 BST (UK)  »
Hi Yorky, the chapel was/is called wheatley lane chapel and was indeed a Inghamite chapel, I don't know much about these? Where Martha and John were living they had a church in spitting distance yet they chose to go to this chapel which was about 4 mile away. That kind of says it all doesn't it?

Wonderful find! It's as good to be proved wrong, as proved right, isn't it? - I wondered if the chapel might have been an Inghamite chapel ... they had the reputation of being a little more relaxed, certainly more recently were amongst the first to deal with divorced couples.

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The Lighter Side / Re: Mystery woman!
« on: Thursday 11 June 20 17:52 BST (UK)  »
This has confirmed the marriage completely for me now as John lived on Gisburn Road on the marriage certificate and one of their witnesses was Hartley Clark, the other drunk man!

Now to find out when she died! Thanks so much to you and Rosie!

I found it on FindMyPast

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The Lighter Side / Re: Mystery woman!
« on: Thursday 11 June 20 17:25 BST (UK)  »
Which website do you find best for newspaper articles? I am subscribed to findmypast and they have papers on there but never found this on Martha before!

I just spotted that too Rosie  ;D  I had already copied the article so I will post it anyway.

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The Lighter Side / Re: Mystery woman!
« on: Thursday 11 June 20 17:23 BST (UK)  »
What website do you find best for newspaper articles?

Burnley Gazette 20 May 1905
A young woman, named Martha Aspland, Housekeeper, Blacko, was fined 2s 6d and costs for being drunk and laid on the footpath in Gisburn Road, Blacko on Friday night the 5th inst

Hartley Clarke & John Lewis are also mentioned in the same article

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