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Travelling People / Re: DNA results help please! Chapman/Hirst in Yorkshire
« on: Monday 16 March 20 14:05 GMT (UK)  »
I’ll see if that Mary links to any other trees, the dates look promising, I was looking around 1890 for a birth for her. Thanks for your help!

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Travelling People / Re: DNA results help please! Chapman/Hirst in Yorkshire
« on: Monday 16 March 20 09:31 GMT (UK)  »
And yes I believe she died unmarried but I’ll double check

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Travelling People / Re: DNA results help please! Chapman/Hirst in Yorkshire
« on: Monday 16 March 20 09:30 GMT (UK)  »
I think that’s probably a good shout I’ll do a separate post. William and Joan were definitely her siblings from what I’ve been told, not heard anything about William being married but I really don’t know so could have been. I’ve found a Mary Hirst in elsecar too but she had too many siblings to be Mary (again, from what I’ve been told). At this point I’m thinking something must have happened for all the secrecy/confusion

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Travelling People / Re: DNA results help please! Chapman/Hirst in Yorkshire
« on: Monday 16 March 20 08:33 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Chempat,

Not sure about witnesses but I can apply for another copy, I believe the witnesses were her mother and Freddys father from what I’ve been told. I’ve asked around the family and my dads cousin does remember going to see Mary in Barnsley and remembers William being described as a bit of a rogue in the family (take that as you will!), and nothing about Joan, but all the people who would have known details are no longer with us. In fact Violet outlived my grandad (her son also Freddy). I know there’s not a lot to go on to be honest I’m just clutching at straws. I don’t even know if William and Joan are older or younger than Mary and I still haven’t found any census with them all on or just two of them. I checked the 1911,1901 and 1891 censuses with nothing at all. Judging by the DNA matches and their trees I’m most closely related to the Smith family as they crop up a lot so I’m sure Mary was a Smith through her parents somehow

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Travelling People / Re: DNA results help please! Chapman/Hirst in Yorkshire
« on: Sunday 15 March 20 13:09 GMT (UK)  »
My Dads cousin did the Ancestry DNA (Violets granddaughter) and she has the same matches but we don’t know anyone from the Hirst side of the family to ask unfortunately. It doesn’t have a father on there either, just Mary. Again, very frustrating! I am positive it is her that is the link though. Maybe the illegitimate situation has clouded it all?

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Travelling People / Re: DNA results help please!
« on: Sunday 15 March 20 12:10 GMT (UK)  »
That’s what we thought, I have looked for a Mary Hirst in the 1911 and 1901 census but without any date of birth or any context it’s nigh on impossible to know for sure it’s her. There’s surprisingly a lot of them! The Smiths I’m related to through dna are in West Yorkshire and York so possibly moved to Barnsley which throws it off. Just thought I’d check on here if Chapman or Hirst we’re Gypsy names in the area for a start as I’m just at a loss with her. I traced Cashmore back to 1600 yet I can’t get anywhere with this

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Travelling People / Re: DNA results help please!
« on: Sunday 15 March 20 11:17 GMT (UK)  »
Forgot to say the father isn’t listed on the birth certificate, assuming he wasn’t there as he was in France maybe but unsure.

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Travelling People / Re: DNA results help please!
« on: Sunday 15 March 20 11:15 GMT (UK)  »
It’s on her birth certificate as Violet Chapman Hirst and her mother is Mary Hirst. She was told her dad was a Chapman but died during the First World War. Strange they weren’t married though. She was an only child but her mother had a brother called William and a sister called Joan (can’t find anything on Ancestry that ties them all together). She never spoke about her family at all and all we know about her before she met my great grandad was that she was a Gypsy and that’s it really. Thanks for replying!

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Travelling People / DNA results help please! Chapman/Hirst in Yorkshire
« on: Sunday 15 March 20 09:34 GMT (UK)  »
Hi everyone,

I’ve just got the results back from ancestry DNA which have confirmed my suspicions of Romany heritage a few times over. I have a 4th cousin called Daniel Smith who is a direct descendant of Wisdom Smith and multiple Boswells and Grays.I also have Boswell matches between 5th and 8th cousins in America. Searched their trees and the links appear to be a group who travelled together from England made up of Boswells, Whartons, Smiths, Grays, Lees and Stanley’s. I also have about 10 common matches with most of these. I just can’t work out who the common ancestor is. I’ve got Cashmore’s (my surname) marrying Boswells and Smiths in Birmingham but very distantly (we didn’t even know of Romany descent from this side they settled that long ago). Which leads me to think it was my great grandmas side who was the most recent traveller. All I know about her is she was born Violet Hirst in Barnsley in 1915, died in 2009,and her dad was called Chapman but don’t have a first name. Her mother was Mary and the trail goes cold there. She married Freddy Cashmore in 1936. Anybody aware of links between the Hirsts, Chapmans, Smiths and Boswells in Yorkshire? Could there have been a name change? Massively appreciate any help as it’s doing my head in trying to find the link.
Cheers
Ryan

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