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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Marriage Cert Residence
« on: Friday 09 February 24 19:20 GMT (UK) »
Wow thanks for such a fast response - had no idea there was a parish called Patna in Ayrshire!
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I understood it was 75 years in Scotland.
I was able to look up the hospital records of a relative who died in 1935 in The Royal Edinburgh a psychiatric hospital.
I had to order them up, which took about 3 weeks, and I was allowed to read but not copy them at the University library. I was allowed to take notes in pencil.
He died aged 20 and it was obviously thought at the time he had a serious mental health breakdown.
Reading through the notes it was now glaring obvious that he had sepsis poor guy.
It may be worthwhile contacting the Information Commissioner to ask their opinion as to whether the records should be sealed for this period. In general the various pieces of legislation are aimed at the living who are presumed to have a right to privacy . However it has been extablished in a number of cases that the dead do not have such rights and that any reasonable expectation of privacy ceases upon an individuals proven death
Given that their statement about a 100 year rule expressly refers to clinical records you could try asking for something non-clinical e.g. the date of the petition of admission.
The collection hierarchy refers to these being indexed, see here:
https://archives.dundee.ac.uk/thb-30
so perhaps with your c.1921 and the name which you presumably already have they might confirm the exact date.
S_L
I think I might have figured this out after a lot of scrolling and head scratching.
The census records already posted suggest that these are the siblings who are the children of William - ages are quite fluid in all the available records.
John
born 1864/1869
Patrick
born 1871
Julia
born 1871/1872
Thomas
born 1871/1874/1876
Mary
born 1878
William
born 1882/1883
Starting with Thomas because he is the subject of the enquiry, I think that this is his registered birth and baptism.
Thomas
Baptised 23 Aug 1874
Son of William HEALOW and Anne SMYTHE
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635215#page/35/mode/1up
Born 5 Sep 1874
Son of William HEALOW and Anne SMITH
of Randalstown, Kilbarry
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03139/2151148.pdf
I know that the dates do not match but I have seen many Irish births like this and maybe it was a case of not registering within the required timeframe. Perhaps the correct birthdate was 5 August.
Kilbarry/Kilberry, Meath matches Thomas' stated place of birth when he enlisted.
Margaret
Also baptised and registered at the same place was Margaret in 1871, parents William HEALY/HEALOW and Anne SMYTH/SMITH. Baptised the same day she was born so perhaps she wasn't expected to live.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635215#page/31/mode/1up
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/cert_amends/cert_1872/2196075b.pdf
Julia
Julia was also baptised at Oristown on 17 Jan 1869, parents William HILO and Anne SMYTHE. The birth was registered as 'Judith' (which is a name interchangeable with Julia), parents William HEALOW and Anne SMITH. This time they are at Clynch, Kilbarry. Date of birth is slightly at odds again and she later thought she was born in 1872.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635215#page/28/mode/1up
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03411/2250995.pdf
Patrick
Birth registered at Moynalty, Kells in 1866, parents William HAYLOW and Anne SMITH of Newrath which is a townland in the parish of Kilbeg.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1866/03544/2304516.pdf
I think that this is the baptism of that child on 7 Jan 1866 at Kilbeg with mother's surname incorrectly recorded as REILLY. Father William HAYLO.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635216#page/63/mode/1up
John
Also baptised at Kells on 10 May 1863, parents William HELOE and Anne SMYTH
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635212#page/160/mode/1up
Mary
Born after Thomas around 1878. A bit out of the area of the other children, a birth at Stamullen, Drogheda on 28 Jun 1877, parents William HALLOW and Anne SMITH of Snowtown.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/02999/2099150.pdf
Baptism at Ardcath on 29 June to William and Anne HALO.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635052#page/126/mode/1up
William
The youngest child William, born and baptised at Collon north of Drogheda in 1880. Parents William HEALY and Anne SMITH. Julia HEALY was one of the sponsors, perhaps his sister.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632531#page/68/mode/1up
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02862/2048839.pdf
Having a bit of a Google, the surname may have progressed from the original surname HEALAUGH.
Debra