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England / 1939 Register question
« on: Tuesday 13 April 21 09:52 BST (UK)  »
I was under the impression that military personnel were not included on the 1939 Register. However, I'm researching someone who was in the Royal Engineers at this time and I think I have found him at Waterloo Road in Lambeth, as part of a big long list of people who all appear to be army/navy/RAF.
What might the reason for this be?

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: What is the name of this street?
« on: Monday 12 April 21 13:46 BST (UK)  »
Fantastic, for some reason I kept reading it as Yeetar(!) and couldn't see it any other way ;D

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / What is the name of this street?
« on: Monday 12 April 21 13:32 BST (UK)  »
1911 census address in Musselburgh/Inveresk, Scotland. ? Green Lane.

Scotland / Re: Ruling out incest
« on: Wednesday 07 April 21 09:51 BST (UK)  »
"William Fraser as the mother says" is somewhat weak for a priest to write if it is a case of incest. You would expect a bit more fulmination.

Have you looked at the actual birth certificate to see what it says?

Yes, I would certainly think there would be more comment than just that! 'As the mother says' seems to be this recorders standard phrasing for uncertain paternity. The birth certificate just says Illegitimate and gives no father.

Scotland / Re: Ruling out incest
« on: Wednesday 07 April 21 09:49 BST (UK)  »
I wonder ...

Pre WWI...  Scotland ... perhaps the R.C. priest was Irish ....

I explain .... in New South Wales Australia, for most of 20th century, many/most R.C. parish priests were Irish or Irish trained .... so they were not familiar with Australian accents.   

And until the 1960s, most denominations used Thou and Thy rather that You  and Your. 

So if the Priest in Scotland back in the 1900s asked the baby's mum "who is the father"  would she hear it as "who is THY father" ..   yes, quite possibly, and thereby be unaware that her answer was recorded as perhaps naming her baby's father and for 21st eyes to consider a taboo relationship.


Interesting, but I do know her father wasn't called William.

Scotland / Re: Ruling out incest
« on: Wednesday 07 April 21 09:47 BST (UK)  »
Is the father's area of residence & occ. given e.g. Fisherman which would be a reason for not appearing on census records as he was probably out on a boat?


No annoyingly neither occ or residence is given. Looking at the rest of the page's entries the lawful children's father's occupations are given but when it's a 'mother claims this is the father situation' no extra info is given for the father.

Scotland / Re: Ruling out incest
« on: Tuesday 06 April 21 20:09 BST (UK)  »
I'll give that a try, thanks.

Scotland / Re: Ruling out incest
« on: Tuesday 06 April 21 19:23 BST (UK)  »
No that's not the person I'm talking about. I don't want to share any more details as it's not my family. The baptism is not on ScotlandsPeople.

Scotland / Ruling out incest
« on: Tuesday 06 April 21 16:46 BST (UK)  »
I've found a Roman Catholic baptism record for someone born illegitimate in 1905 which states that the father was 'William Fraser as the mother says'. The trouble is the mother is also a Fraser and has a brother named William, and both of them live in the family home in 1901 and 1911.
They lived in a small parish and my census searches for more men of this name in the area do not offer as many other options as I'd like!
It's probably not an incestuous birth, but does anyone have any advice on how I could rule this out more definitively?
It seems very unlikely to me that she would have had the child baptised and actually named her brother as the father right?!

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