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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Bebington 1872 England to NZ
« on: Tuesday 13 April 21 11:46 BST (UK)  »
Thank you everyone - in answer to your questions....

1. I have death registration of Albert Edward that says he died April 16th 1877 at age 4 years and three months.  No birth date is given on the registration.
2. It says he was born at sea.
3.Yes Henry Hancox (on the passenger list) and his family travelled together  - James was his brother.

They started in Bluff (Campbelltown) and spent 6 years heading north.

Albert Edward was a complete surprise to me and I couldn't fit him in with existing siblings but am able to sort that side out now with the birth date from Lucy - thanks heaps! 

The newspaper artical from NZPapers Past is my James.    Seems he went walk about for a while.... but good news is that he came to his senses (or his brother dragged him there!) and he and Eliza carried on northwards and actually had a big family and a good life - settled in Otaki and then Piriaka.

From the bottom of my heart - thank you - everyone.   Your help has been amazing and I can lay this little fellow to rest in my tree, knowing for sure where he fits.

Have a great week everyone x


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New Zealand Completed Requests / Bebington 1872 England to NZ
« on: Monday 12 April 21 21:20 BST (UK)  »
G'day.   I have an ancestor (James Hancox and wife Eliza Jane (nee  Morgan) Hancox and their kiddies, Ann and James - who had a baby (Albert Edward) on board the Bebington on the way out here in 1872.   
The passenger list off rootswebb doesn't list the baby born but it does list others that died.  Is there a way I can confirm the birth of this child?   Nothing on NZ BDM.   I understand births were registered in the ships log but a) where do I find it and b) my passengers were coming out on the government emigration scheme so were not the luckier ones coming out under their own finance.

Any help would be very much appreciated.
Thanks heaps
Kelly

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: 6th dragoon
« on: Wednesday 29 April 20 10:43 BST (UK)  »
And I again, was reading through these pages - have not been able to come back to this for a few days - too much going on with the farm.   But - here I am.....

So Elizabeth Ives - She does have a daughter Maria and they did have banns read for three weeks in church prior to the marriage but the priest that married them says in court at the bigamy case, that JBL married her and the next day left - I think to join his regiment and that he had never been back which  I am thinking.... was the child his in the first place?   And then her second child, Charles, who she names in church documents as being the child of JBL, a soldier.   Charles is born I think about 4 years after the marriage and if James had never been back.....  I suspect he is not the father.

Its all so intriguing.   With wife no. 3 - she called herself his wife in census docs and takes his surname etc etc, they had three children - two girls and a boy.    The first girl is born in Ireland in Cahir where Caroline has followed him as he is stationed there permanently. 

The third child, Tweed, is born only two years before James dies.   In the 1871 census James is working at The Kennels for the Heythrop Hunt and Caroline is in a cottage up the road when the census is taken. 

They're both buried in Chipping Norton.    James at St Mary's and Caroline at the 'new' cemetery.   Neither have gravestones.

Wish I could have known them - I bet they had a story or two to tell!

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: 6th dragoon
« on: Wednesday 29 April 20 10:24 BST (UK)  »
Dear Girl Guide

Just reading back through the notes - are you able to copy me the records on Find My Past of James Blake Linder Military records?   I don't have a subscription that will allow me to look at it and would be very grateful.

With many thanks
Kelly

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: 6th dragoon
« on: Wednesday 29 April 20 10:20 BST (UK)  »
G'day - Thank you both so very much!  Fancy having two wives.... even if you didn't really fancy the first one anymore.  It's interesting that the courtroom is packed with soldiers - it makes me think that despite the misdemeanor, he was well liked in the regiment.    Either that or they were just there to be nosey... either way I am glad he made the papers - it gives an insight to his life.

Thank you very much for looking it up for me.   The dangerous thing with family research is the more you know the more you want to know!  Just by way of winding his story up - he had a son by his third wife who emigrated to South Africa  before the Boer War in which he faught for the British, married a Boer Widow,  faught in WW2 for the Government of the day in the Natal Mounteds and Utrecht Commando and lived the rest of his life there - my great grandad. So the love of horses carried through. 

Once again - thank you all very much.  Have a great week and take care!

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: 6th dragoon
« on: Monday 20 April 20 01:40 BST (UK)  »
G'day ShaunJ

Thank you!  I knew he'd gone to Crimea - and I think to Turkey afterwards as he stayed with the 6ths until discharge in 1868 - I need to do some reading and map out exactly where the regt was from year to year.

Do you know anything about what his 'job' would be?   I'm guessing as Farrier Major he is the horsey dude in charge of the other horsey dudes but did they go to the front line?   Did they actively fight?   The fact he went to Crimea - what a nightmare scenario - and then on to Turkey etc after - I hope he was more the back line dude for his sake...!

Thanks so much - hope you have a great day.   We are still in full lock down so loads of time to do this!
Kelly

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: 6th dragoon
« on: Monday 20 April 20 01:35 BST (UK)  »
G'day Girl Guide.    Thanks heaps -

When James Linder married Anne Hill he was committing bigamy - she is wife no. 2.   Wife no.1 is in England (Elizabeth Ives).   He's charged and sentenced to 12 months at Clonmel, in March 1852 but is bailed end May 1852. 

Is there any information with regards to the case against him in newspapers or records and the outcome?  Irish Prison records I think are on FindMyPast.

With many thanks
Kelly

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: 6th dragoon
« on: Saturday 18 April 20 23:10 BST (UK)  »
Sorry you asked about subscriptions to Find my Past - I have a basic one but am super frustrated as it shows there is a record but I can't actually see it.   I tried looking at his world wide army 1851  and 1861 listing but although its there, can't see it.   I also tried to look up Irish prison records but have the same issue.  I have a full membership with ancestry but can't quite stretch to one with FindMyPast right now. 

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: 6th dragoon
« on: Saturday 18 April 20 23:04 BST (UK)  »
Hi there.   Thankyou so much for your quick reply!   This is my first use of this forum so I am very grateful.    The records you have found are indeed my man - he married Elizabeth Ives in England in 1847 just after he had joined the 6ths as a farrier.   Fathered a daughter and off to army life he went, to Ireland.   While there in 1851, on Christmas Day he married (again!) Ann Hill but was charged with bigamy on Feb 17th, given a 12 month sentence, sent to Clonmel, bailed on May 30th at which point, back to 6ths he went.  He then went back to England and fathered a son with is first wife and left again with the army.  He disappears from their lives forever at this point.   Then somewhere in there, he meets Caroline, my 2 x gt grandmother - no marriage record is to be found - and they go on to have four children altogeher but the first dies a few days old.   She goes with him to Ireland and the 6ths as their next child is born there.  I have found out that he must be good at his job as he is finally Farrier Major and yesterday, found the discharge papers in 1868. 
What happened to his wife no 2 and marriage?  Did they annul the marriage automatically or did they have to get divorced on paper and if so, where would I find it?   I can't find her anywhere after that.   I tried searching her father, Matthew but not much on him - or perhaps I just don't have enough info on them to generate a decent search.
As for his army life - I would like to understand more of that.   He seemed a decent enough fellow - just didn't have a good start at the wife picking bit.  Have an awesome day!

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