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Somerset / Re: Isaac Pyne of Wellington
« on: Saturday 16 May 20 16:07 BST (UK)  »
Hello Jeremy
The problem of Isaac is still with us and so is my determination to find out his parents.  With no teaching at the moment I now have time to work on him again. I am currently trying to work on the Westlake connection.  There were Westlakes in Wellington I believe.  My grandmother in Bristol, Selina Pyne, was housekeeper to a Mrs Westlake.  Possibly no connection between the two families but worth thinking about.  I have been on many other sites recently but without any luck.

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Somerset / Re: Isaac Pyne of Wellington
« on: Thursday 23 April 20 11:49 BST (UK)  »
Yes I can see that you are correct with that judgement.  When they first contacted me , they told me that their connection to the Wellington Pynes was to Ann, daughter of Abraham married to Ann Parris. Ann married James Saunders. In 1861 census, a John Pyne and Elizabeth Pyne had Elizabeth Saunders with them.  She was a niece. In 1841, Elizabeth Saunders and Harriet Saunders were with the same couple.  I have also searched for the children of Isaac and Joan, but found no results.  I was lucky with my Isaac Pyne that records for his children, William, John, Sarah and Henry Hall Palmer were easily found.  My GG Grandfather was the William. I also thought that the younger Isaac was married to Sarah Porter but did not follow them  up after the marriage.  The Saunders ended up in Bristol and so did my GG Grandfather William who married Mary Seaman of Taunton in Bristol.

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Somerset / Re: Isaac Pyne of Wellington
« on: Wednesday 22 April 20 09:55 BST (UK)  »
That Pyne family seemed to be both as you say literate and illiterate.  When I first thought my Isaac's link was to John and Grace, I checked their marriage and both were illiterate. Abraham is literate and the Isaac married to Joan Chorley not ,so quite a mixture.  I am in regular contact with someone who is a GGG Grandchild of Abraham Pyne. Also through the census I found many family connections between the older Isaac and Abraham's family, including what appeared to be the marriage of cousins. Abraham's daughter, Ann, married James Saunders and Isaac and Joan Chorley were at times caring for the Saunders children  in the census ,in a related way, not just as friends.
Recently I contacted someone on Ancestry who had an Isaac in their tree.  He told me that his Isaac Pyne was married to Joan Chorley and had parents John Pyne and Grace Palmer.
I did not know which Isaac was the will executor for Grace Pyne but I now think that the literacy of executers maybe was not relevant in those days.

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Somerset / Re: Isaac Pyne of Wellington
« on: Tuesday 21 April 20 12:34 BST (UK)  »
The Isaac Pyne who was married to Joan Chorley was actually the brother of Abraham who had daughter Grace Palmer Pyne.  Their parents were John Pyne and Grace Palmer. I mistakenly thought that because my Isaac had a som Henry Hall Palmer Pyne that his parents were John and Grace. I have a copy of the will of a Grace Palmer with daughter Mary and executor Isaac Pyne. I did not know that a Grace Pyne was connected to the will of a John Pyne so seemingly these are John Pyne and GracePalmer . There was another  Grace married to a Charles Pyne ,who had a daughter Mary from her first marriage to Thomas Bishop.  Which Isaac was mentioned I  have always wondered and what his connection to Grace was. I wonder if literacy made any difference in those days to carrying out the task of executor as my Isaac was literate and the one married to Joan Chorley not.

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Somerset / Re: Isaac Pyne of Wellington
« on: Tuesday 21 April 20 09:23 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for that information.  It is confusing there being two Isaac Pynes.  The one who was born in 1771 was married to Joan Chorley and was the son of John Pyne, yeoman ,and Grace Palmer. It was interestimg that both Pyne and Payne were being used.  I know, because I checked this Isaac out ,that he was illiterate.  Whether this had anything to do with spelling differences I don't know. My Isaac Pyne was a carpenter and also literate so perhaps he was more aware of the spelling.

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Somerset / Re: Isaac Pyne of Wellington
« on: Monday 20 April 20 17:05 BST (UK)  »
I also thought that Isaac Payne might be a possibility until I found his tree on Ancestry and he appears to marry in Yorkshire and die in London.  My Isaac married in 1805 and 1809 in Wellington and died in Taunton in 1849. I have not searched Ancestry wills but as I am a member I will certainly do so.

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Somerset / Isaac Pyne of Wellington
« on: Monday 20 April 20 12:13 BST (UK)  »
After many years of research on my GGG Grandfather Isaac Pyne, born c 1779, who was married firstly to Mary Snook and then Mary Wale. I now know that he was not the son of John Pyne and Grace Palmer.  There was an older Isaac Pyne in Wellington  married to Joan Chorley and he was the son of John and Grace. I know this from my research and also another researcher who has this Isaac Pyne in their tree.  Isaac Pyne born c 1779 is now parentless once again. Does anyone have him in their tree or have any ideas about who his parents might have been?

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