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There are a few ships called Betsey logged in a list of shipwrecks in 1804:
I guess the following is the one you are looking for .

5 December
List of shipwrecks: 5 December 1804
Ship            Country                    Description
Betsey    United Kingdom   The brig departed from St. John's, Newfoundland, British North America. No further trace, presumed foundered with the loss of all hands.[250]

Looks interesting.  Not much in the way of historical research for this time as far as I can see.  The soldiers who fought in the war we gave up, rather than being beaten by the Americans, due to France becoming involved. We had to reserve our resources to defend the places which generated a lot more wealth than the colonies, such as the Caribbean and India. 

Armed Forces / Re: Term: men who ran before ships sailed
« on: Sunday 27 September 20 20:17 BST (UK)  »
This was a fairly common event in the 1800`s UK Merchant Navy. Many sailors signed their articles of agreement, a contract between them and the ships owners, before seeing the ship they were to sail on.  If they then saw the ship and thought it dangerous they sometimes absconded.  The ship owners could then use the full power of the law to have them imprisoned, sometimes for as long as 3 months in jail.  Many ships were badly maintained and/or overloaded to obtain maximum profit and were literal death traps. If, as often happened, the ships sunk the owners simply claimed on the insurance. The owners sometimes over insured ships in the knowledge they were likely to sink so they could claim more insurance than the ships were worth.  These kind of ships were called `Coffin Ships`, not to be confused with the slavery ships and those transporting poor people from Ireland and Scotland, which were also called coffins ships due to the awful hygiene experienced by the emigrants.
It was only after legislation was brought in the late 1800`s, mainly by the celebrated Samuel Plimsoll, that the so called Plimsoll line had to be painted on all ships.  This was the maximum height that cargo be loaded up to. It led to more safety measures being used. Until that happened a sailors life in the merchant navy was the most dangerous occupation in Great Britain.

Europe / Re: British nationals married in Hamburg
« on: Saturday 26 September 20 23:09 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Liam, I have a copy of FJC moores birth certificate, he is my gt grandad on my mams side. I have seen a records of FJ Moore`s ships records. He was master of the ship `Ellen` based in Whitby between 1849 and 1850. The log, unlike some of the later logs I have found, doesn't give a record of where he went that year.  Thanks for all the interest though, much appreciated.

Europe / Re: British nationals married in Hamburg
« on: Saturday 26 September 20 20:57 BST (UK)  »
Hi, Thanks for your suggestion.  I have tried this before but tried it again just in case I missed something. No sign of them i`m afraid  :-(

Europe / British nationals married in Hamburg
« on: Saturday 26 September 20 16:06 BST (UK)  »
On the family trees for a couple of my ancestors several people have noted that the couple in question married in Hamburg in 1850.  I have searched all over but am unable to find confirmation of this.  They are:
Francis J Moore, born 1813 in Monkwearmouth, Sunderland
Janet Gibb, born 1828 in Glasgow
Francis was a master mariner and sailed the Baltic coast routes delivering coal and industrial products. The firm he worked for, based in Hartlepool, had a regular weekly route to Hamburg so it is feasible he married there. The only other records I have found for him regarding being abroad(apart from his ships logs) is that his son, Francis J C Moore, was born in Visby, Sweden in 1857. On the Swedish baptism records the father is down as Francis Moore and the mother as  Jeanette Gilb.  Any assistance that be given to sort this would be much appreciated.

Durham / Re: Sunderland Ship Owner 1880`s
« on: Friday 28 August 20 08:59 BST (UK)  »
Since joining find my past and searching through the pages of Sunderland Daily Echo and Shipping Gazette I have found many instances of H D Dennis and ships.  This is often mentioned as `Coasters Cleared`, the name of the Ship and a persons name.  This doesnt mean the named person actually owned the ship,(although in some instances they may do) but are acting as a ships broker. These are the people responsible for looking after the needs of the crew and ensuring the ship has a cargo loaded or taken off etc, they work on behalf of the actual ship owners. The digitized newspapers are a mine of information and I do recommend them to anyone looking for a bit more detail about their ancestors and their trades.

Durham / Re: Sunderland Ship Owner 1880`s
« on: Thursday 27 August 20 00:39 BST (UK)  »
Hi Stan,
I took your advice and joined find my past as I have heard previously it is good for finding maritime information and has the added bonus of searching through newspapers as you rightly said. I found extra info on HD Dennis plus some of the comings and goings of my gt gt grandad from West Hartlepool



Durham / Re: Sunderland Ship Owner 1880`s
« on: Wednesday 26 August 20 17:54 BST (UK)  »
Thanks very much Stan and Westoe. I`ve poured over that website a lot over the last few weeks and it is certainly a mine of information. Very good when you consider that the owner lives in Canada and states they have never been to Sunderland.  In regards to the ship `San Jose` it was owned by H D Dennis and captained by his dad, James Davey Dennis. He took it to Lagos in 1888 and died there of fever along with many of his shipmates. Must have come as a great shock to his son.

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