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Roxburghshire / Re: Rev. Robert Hogg of Roxburgh
« on: Wednesday 10 May 23 10:26 BST (UK)  »
A PM is a personal message. There is a link on the rootschat homepage at the top of the page next to your username which should display any personal messages. You can also click on my messages and it will direct you to your rootschat inbox. I sent you a message with my email address so that I could forward you documents.

I like the reasoning and your thought process of Henry’s parents and think it’s a quite logical conclusion. I do remember seeing a Henry in the list of communicants. I need to revisit those Kirk Sessions with fresh eyes as it’s been a while since I last looked at them.

The Vair name does appear to come into the Hogg line from Vair Ker - the daughter of Sir Thomas Kerr. It’s possible to follow this line quite far back. 

Attaching an extract of the Landed Gentry:


For your info (and anyone else following) the Scotland’s People indexing of the wills mentioned previously is as follows:

HOGE, JOHN
22 / 11 / 1698
PORTIONER IN ROXBURGH
TESTAMENT DATIVE AND INVENTORY
PEEBLES COMMISSARY COURT
CC18/3/1

HOG, ROB[E]RT
2 / 2 / 1683
PORTIONER OF ROXBURGH
TESTAMENT DATIVE AND INVENTORY
PEEBLES COMMISSARY COURT
CC18/3/1

HOGG, ALEXANDER
29 / 4 / 1687
IN NEWTOUNE
TESTAMENT TESTAMENTAR AND INVENTORY
PEEBLES COMMISSARY COURT
CC18/3/1


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Roxburghshire / Re: Rev. Robert Hogg of Roxburgh
« on: Monday 24 April 23 22:27 BST (UK)  »
Hi Steve,

I am very happy to share the documents and certificates I’ve collected. I’ll send you a pm. I think you may have to post some more to be able to respond privately.

Were you able to confirm Janet and Thomas’s grandfather Hendrie is the son of William Hog and Bessie Jamison?

There are two surviving records for a Hendrie that fit:
HOG HENDRIE
WILLIAM HOG/ELIZABETH OGLE FR121 (FR121) M  19/07/1719
803
10 / 196
ROXBURGH

And:

HOG HENDRIE
WILLIAM HOG/BESSIE JAMISON FR132 (FR132) M 12/04/1724
803
10 / 207

I never found anything to back up either.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Cause of death and M.S. of parent
« on: Wednesday 01 March 23 18:37 GMT (UK)  »
Maybe Meikle?

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Struggling with a few words
« on: Monday 23 January 23 12:08 GMT (UK)  »
My curiosity got the better of me and I had credits on SP, so decided to splash out on the 1811 KEENON, CATHERINE (Catholic Registers Births and Baptisms MP 62 1 1 161,
Glasgow, St Andrew's) to see how it's written.

KEENON, CATHERINE Parents: JOHN KEENON / CATHERINE MCGERAGLE.

Also on the page MCCANNA, MARY Parents: CHARLES MCCANNA / ROSE KERR

and KELLY, ROSE Parents: JOHN KELLY / HELEN DURAS

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Struggling with a few words
« on: Monday 23 January 23 08:12 GMT (UK)  »
I don’t strongly disagree with Sheenon but I’m not 100 percent convinced.

If it’s Sh, I don’t see the first line of the h going all the way down like we do in the h of  The child. It has the ornateness of the H in Hall but with a squiggle. I don’t see much of a similarity to the S of Andrew Scott, the S here is much more at an angle and looping but that connects to a small letter so is not overly helpful.

Still plumping for an ornate K and Keenon. Would be good to see more of the text though.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Struggling with a few words
« on: Sunday 22 January 23 18:11 GMT (UK)  »
Keenon/Keenan?

I see the following Catholic marriage entry for a John Keenon on Scotland’s People:

KEENON
JOHN
COLLINS
ANN
29/10/1802
GLASGOW, ST ANDREW'S

And there is a baptism entry for Keenan on Scotland’s People:


KEENAN
JOHN
JOHN KEENAN / JANE LINDSAY
MALE
29/5/1826
11/2/1827
GLASGOW, ST ANDREW'S

Perhaps the father here would fit for your entry.

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Roxburghshire / Re: Rev. Robert Hogg of Roxburgh
« on: Friday 08 July 22 16:11 BST (UK)  »
You’re right, I missed Helen out. She is in the tree I have. I was actually recording Kersmains references and Helen’s birth record does not seem to be here.

I’m more inclined to go for Robert Mein and Barbara Ker because Johne and Vair name one of their daughters Barbarie. I have nothing else to back this up.

I do have the Testament and Inventory of an Alexander Hogg who died in Newtoune in 1687. It mentions a Robert Mein and also ‘John Hogg portioner of Rox’ (later in the text ‘other portioner of Rox’) - and under that it says ‘Hogg his brother’. I’m having a hard time reading it but I think it does contain a lot of information on the family. Perhaps it’s a post for the deciphering page but it does run two pages of quite dense text.

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Roxburghshire / Re: Rev. Robert Hogg of Roxburgh
« on: Tuesday 05 July 22 16:04 BST (UK)  »
I just realised I made a mistake with the listing of the children’s names and I’d copied and pasted it wrong again later in the thread.

It should be Andrew not Alexander.

So the following:

Robert - Kersmains 22/06/1771
William - Kersmains 20/02/1773
Mary - Kersmains 31/03/1775
Betty - Kersmains 22/12/1776
Andrew - Kersmains 04/11/1778
Alexander - Kersmains 21/10/1780
John - Kersmains 26/02/1783
Andrew - Kersmains 05/01/1785
Archibald - Kersmains 13/10/1788
Isabel - Kersmains 15/11/1795
Christian - Kersmains 23/08/1802

So the Andrew born 1778 probably died around 1784 and they named their next son Andrew as well.
On the MI it says:

Quote
also ANDREW HOGG who died in infancy.

So Alexander would be the 4th son:


1st - Robert - 1771
2nd - William - 1773
3rd - Andrew- Kersmains 1778
4th - Alexander - 1780
5th - John - 1783
6th - Andrew - 1785
7th - Archibald - 1788

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Roxburghshire / Re: Rev. Robert Hogg of Roxburgh
« on: Tuesday 05 July 22 10:19 BST (UK)  »
You are right about transmitted - I was confused by the looping 's' from session on the line above. Anyway.

I didn't find anything for Christian, not sure what happened to her. I do suspect concealed illegitimacy. Alexander was tenant in Homebank at the time of her birth - only a distance of around 9 miles on a modern map. Her birth entry does have something scored out after the entry but I can't read it. There is a marriage of a Christian Hogg and Thomas Thomson in 1828 Kelso which fits nicely age wise. Not looked at the actual certificate though and I couldn't find this couple on the census in 1841. I couldn't find a death certificate for her either.

I'm also curious about the Andrew who appears on the horse tax roles with Alexander in 1788/89.
An Andrew with the parents William and Elspeth would fit for my elusive 5x great grandfather. My Andrew also vouches for an Anne Dickson in the Kelso Kirk sessions - but I don't think he would go from paying horse tax to being a farm servant in 1809 and this Andrew would also possibly be too old, but I am still drawn to this family for some reason.

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