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Warwickshire Lookup Requests / Re: The disappearance of Fred DUCKHOUSE
« on: Wednesday 31 December 14 23:10 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you all for helping "Jaglas" & myself to resolve some of the misteries of this namechanging family.

Our connection together is now proven & personal info can now be swapped.

Typically though, you break down one wall only to find another one beyond it.

Happy New Year,

Alhal

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Warwickshire Lookup Requests / Re: The disappearance of Fred DUCKHOUSE
« on: Friday 09 August 13 17:45 BST (UK)  »
Update to Albert DUCKHOUSE.

The newly released 1921 Canadian Census shows the THOMPSON family living by themselves - no sign of Albert and his 3 co-boarders.

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Warwickshire Lookup Requests / Re: The disappearance of Fred DUCKHOUSE
« on: Tuesday 06 August 13 16:03 BST (UK)  »
Thanks, Miriam and Josey for your interest.

We have exhausted all of the Canadian resources.

We know what happened to Stephen - he was killed during WW1 fighting with the Canadian troops. His story is out there on the internet.

As far as Albert is concerned, I can find nobody showing any genealogical interest in the 3 boys boarding with him at the THOMPSON's farm.

A director of the British Home Children's Canadian forum is offering to help once my wife arrives in Toronto.

What I need to understand is what happened to Fred, the father. By 1919 his wife has re-married, but I can find no trace of him after the 1901 Census.

And how does a mother chose which of her children are to be put in Barnardos? Presumably the elder boys - Fred, John & George were all able to work and support the family.

I'm sure Barnardos will come up trumps and provide all the answers - eventually, but I'm trying to find info for my wife to give to the McPHAILs, the Canadian host family, early next month when she meets them to thank them for their kindness.

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Warwickshire Lookup Requests / The disappearance of Fred DUCKHOUSE
« on: Tuesday 06 August 13 15:19 BST (UK)  »
Between 1 Apr 1901 & 10 Mar 1910 2 of my wife's greatuncles, brothers Stephen & Albert Edward DUCKHOUSE, were taken into Dr Barnardo's care.

On 10 Mar 1910 they were shipped out to Canada on SS Tunisian from Liverpool, arriving in Halifax on 18 Mar 1910 - part of the disgraceful British Home Children episode. Albert's name appears in the shipping lists as Alfred E DUCKHOUSE.

Apart from a 1911 Canadian Census entry for Albert, boarding on the THOMPSON family farm with 3 other British Home Children, nothing else is known of him. It is believed that his life there was traumatic and possibly short.

Conversely, the Canadian McPHAIL family with whom Stephen was placed treated him as one of their own, so much so that he appears in their Ancestry family tree. All that happened to Stephen from the time of his arrival in Canada is known about. They have his original Barnardos trunk in the barn of the farm which they still own. They have invited my wife to go and stay there with them on 4 Sep 2013 (in 4 weeks time) and have asked for as much family background information as possible - hence my sudden quest for information.

I have found the following post-1900 references to the family:-

31 Mar 1901 Census Ref / RG13 / Piece 2925 / Folio 144 / Page 46 / 304 Warwick Road, Greet, Worcs
- Frederick DUCKHOUSE - Head - Married - 29 -  Cycle packer - b. Wednesfield Staffordshire
- Ellen DUCKHOUSE - Wife - Married - 30 - b. Stratford on Avon, Warks
- John DUCKHOUSE - Son - 8 - b. Hednesford, Staffs
- George DUCKHOUSE - Son - 6 - b. Hednesford, Staffs
- Stephen DUCKHOUSE - Son - 4 - b. Acocks Green, Worcs

There is also an entry for the eldest brother, Fred, living with his grandparents:-
31 Mar 1901 Census Ref / RG13 / Piece 2933 / Folio 52 / Page 38 / 3 Poplar Ave, Acocks Green, Worcs
- William PARDOE - Head - 42 - Married - Labourer - b. Stratford on Avon, Warks
- Eliza PARDOE - Wife - 42 - Married - b. Stratford on Avon, Warks
- James PARDOE - Son - Single  - 14 - Errand boy - b. Hednesford, Staffs
- Frederick T DUCKHOUSE - Grandson - Single - 10 - b. Hednesford, Staffs

Q4/1901 Birth Registration at Solihull / 6d / 631
- Albert Edward DUCKHOUSE

Q4/1905 Birth Registration at Solihull / 6d / 593
- Walter DUCKHOUSE

2 Apr 1911 Census Ref / RG14 / Piece 18659 / SN 333 / Coronation Bldgs, Waterloo Rd, S Yardley, B'ham
- William PARDOE - Head - 63 - Married - gardener - b. Stratford on Avon, Warks
- Eliza PARDOE  - Wife - 63 - Married - b. Stratford on Avon, Warks
- James PARDOE  - Son - Single - 24 - butcher - b. Hednesford, Staffs
- William COTTERALL - Grandson - 10 - school - b. Birmingham, Warks
- Fred DUCKHOUSE - Grandson - 20 - Single - butcher - b. Hednesford, Staffs
- Hellen DUCKHOUSE - Visitor - 41 - Married - millinery warehouse cleaner - b. Stratford on Avon, Warks / Married 20yrs / 8 children / 6 still living
- John DUCKHOUSE - Visitor - 18 - Single - cycle polisher - b. Hednesford, Staffs
- George DUCKHOUSE - Visitor - 16 - Single - cycle polisher - b. Hednesford, Staffs
- Walter DUCKHOUSE - Visitor - 5 - school - b. Birmingham, Warks

1 Jun 1911 Canadian Census in Wentworth, Ontario - living on the McPHAIL family farm
- Stephen DUCKHOUS - single - b. Mar 1896 - age 14 - English - yr of immigration 1910 - domestic servant - "home boy" - no wages

1 Jun 1911 Canadian Census in Muskoka, Ontario - living on the THOMPSON family farm
- Albert DUCKHOUSE - single - b. Oct 1901 - age 9 - English - yr of immigration 1910 - boarder

5 Nov 1911 Marriage at St James the Less, Ashted, Birmingham
- Groom: Frederick Thomas DUCKHOUSE - age 20
- Bride: Emma BARLOW - age 20
- Groom's father: Frederick Thomas DUCKHOUSE
- Bride's father: Thomas BARLOW

Q4/1911 Marriage Registration at Aston / 6d / 370
- Frederick T DUCKHOUSE
- Emma BARLOW

Q2/1919 Marriage Registration at Aston / 6d / 1185
- Ellen DUCKHOUSE
- John BAGGOTT

The 1911 Census shows Ellen DUCKHOUSE's status as "married" but I can find no trace of the father, Thomas Frederick DUCKHOUSE, after the 1901 Census - no death, re-marriage, census, electoral register, migration, military, poor house, prison record or anything else - he just disappeared into the ether. Perhaps he changed his name again - maybe to HOUDINI.

We have requested information from Barnardos but this will not be forthcoming until months after my wife's return from Canada.

Can anyone throw any light on this matter, please.

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Thanks, Ladyhawk, for your input.

There is further "circumstantial" evidence linking Thomas Frederick DUCKHOUSE/DUCAS with Martha DUCKHOUSE/NORTON/HOLDEN.

One of the witnesses at his marriage to Ellen PARDOE on 14 Oct 1890 at Hednesford (St Peter) is a Henry HOLDEN and one of the witnesses at the marriage of Martha NORTON to Henry HOLDEN at the same church on 21 Dec 1890 is a Thomas DUCKHOUSE.

The DUCKHOUSE family are on my wife's tree and haven't been a concern of mine until recently. I have now discovered that 2 of the sons of Thomas Frederick DUCKHOUSE, namely Stephen (b1897) and Albert Edward (b1901) were taken into the care of Barnardos and were shipped out to Canada in 1910 as part of the British Home Children disgrace. I have found both together on the 1910 passenger lists and separately on the Canadian 1911 Census living miles apart in unrelated households.

The family with whom Stephen DUCKHOUSE was living treated him as one of their own and still have his original Barnardos trunk at the farm which they still own. They have invited my wife to go and stay there in a few weeks time and have asked for as much family background information as possible - hence my sudden quest for information.

The eldest son Fred DUCKHOUSE, my wife's Grandfather, was the unnamed 9 day old baby shown living with his parents and grandparents on the 1891 Census.

At the time of the 1901 Census his parents and siblings lived together in Warwick Rd, Yardley whereas Fred was still living with his grandparents, William and Eliza PARDOE, in Poplar Ave, Yardley.

He was still with them on the 1911 Census but was at that time joined by his mother, Ellen, and his 3 brothers who had remained in England, John, George and Walter. His mothers status is shown as "married" but I can find no trace of the father, Thomas Frederick DUCKHOUSE, after the 1901 Census - no death, re-marriage, census, rates, migration, military, poor house, prison record or anything else - he just disappeared into the ether. Perhaps he changed his name again - maybe to HOUDINI.

The arrival of the 1872 Birth Certificate of Thomas Frederick DUCKHOUSE should make his origins a lot clearer but will not help with his ending.

I am awaiting information from Barnardos that might throw some light onto the subject, but that could take months to come.

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Thanks to everyone for their help with Martha DUCKHOUSE/NORTON/HOLDEN. Sorry I haven't responded earlier but I just took advantage of the glorious weather and had a quick break.

Trish1120's pointer to the mistranscribed 1851 Census entry for her mother, Isabella CADWALLENDER, could be the most significant. Living next door are a couple who could be her Grandparents. That needs more investigation.

I now have an image of Martha's 1890 Marriage Register entry and I can see how the surname confusion arose. Martha embellished her initial letters and, taken in isolation, it might look like her surname starts with an M but when you compare it with her written M for Martha you can see a marked difference - it's definitely an N for NORTON.

Her age is clearly shown as 30 although I know that she was born in 1853 - little fibber! FreeBMD only show 2 Martha DUCKHOUSE entries in their entire index - one for 1853 and the other for 1869. This latter one can't be my Martha who married George NORTON in 1974 aged 20.

My biggest problem with Martha is proving that Thomas Frederick DUCKHOUSE was her son. The 1881 census entry for George & Martha NORTON shows that they have a Frederick NORTON aged 8 living with them. He is described as George's son but this is possibly not so given that he was born 2 or 3 years before they married. Furthermore their sons George, Stephen and Joseph were all baptised together in 1878 and their daughter Maud in 1880 - no sign of a Frederick NORTON baptism! - and no 1891 or later Census entries for him either.

There was, however, a baptism for a Thomas Frederick DUCAS at Wood End Primitive Methodist Church, Wood End Rd, Wednesfield on 11 Aug 1872. This is where Martha and her family hail from. FreeREG record this surname as being that of his father, a miner. On examining the actual register itself at Wolverhampton Records Office it quite clearly states "no father" and there is no "occupation" entry - unfortunately it fails to show a Christian name for the mother but her surname was obviously DUCAS (a phoenetical representation of DUCKHOUSE).

FreeBMD only show one Thomas F DUCKHOUSE entry in their entire index - for 1872  at Wolverhampton. This seems to tie-in with the Wood End baptism. There are no other Thomas/Tom/Frederick/Fred DUCAS/DUCKHOUSE entries that even remotely match the criteria.

Commiting this to writing has been helpful to me, but what little hair I have left is rapidly disappearing.

Onwards and upwards - or perhaps that should be backwards and downwards in this context.

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I'm having trouble confirming this marriage.

Most websites that I look at give Martha's surname as MORTON. One of them, the IGI entry, shows her father's name as Stephen DUCKHOUSE (which I believe to be correct) & age as 30 (should have been 37/38).

FreeBMD have 3 correct entries for her -
                    Birth: Jun 1853 / Wolverhampton / 6b / 410
                    Marriage: Jun 1874 / Wolverhampton / 6b / 748 (spouse: George NORTON)
                    Marriage: Dec1890 / Cannock / 6b / 847 (spouse: Henry HOLDEN)

The 1891 & 1901 census entries for Henry & Martha HOLDEN both show that they have a Joseph NORTON living with them. He is described as Henry's stepson & is presumably Martha's son Joseph who was living with her ot the time of the 1881 census.

It seems to me that the MORTON marriage entries are transcription errors, but would so many different websites make the same basic mistake?

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Cornwall / Re: Cornish strays in Rumworth, Lancs
« on: Tuesday 17 July 07 08:00 BST (UK)  »
Hello Bergs,

We're obviously not connected then, yet!

Are any of these the marriages of your relatives then :-

On 18 Nov 1565 in St Neot John LANNDRY married Thomasine HODGE
On 16 May 1566 in St Neot Robert LANNDRY married Jone HODGE
On 27 Apr 1567 in St Neot John LANNDRY married Elizabeth WILCOCK
On 26 Oct 1567 in St Neot Anstas LAUNDRY married Mark GARTH
On 9 Oct 1575 in St Neot John LANNDRY married Elizabeth BARRET
On 17 Oct 1580 in St Neot John LAUNDRY married Margret KNIGHT
On 27 Oct 1583 in St Neot Nicholas LAUNDRY married Elizabeth DANGER
On 26 Jun 1586 in St Neot Pentycost LAUNDRY married George NYELL
On 5 Nov 1587 in St Neot Nicholas LAUNDRY married Jone CRALB
On 8 Feb 1588 in St Neot Elynor LAUNDRY married Robert SNELL
On 16 Jul 1588 in St Neot Alse (F) LAUNDRY married William COPING
On 3 Feb 1591 in St Neot Richard LAUNDRY married Elizabeth CARDEWE
On 18 Jul 1591 in St Neot Roger LAUNDRY married Margret MADOCKE
On 23 Nov 1593 in St Neot Elizabeth LAMUDRY married Stephen DAVIE
On 20 Oct 1595 in St Neot Jone LAUNDRY married Georg POMERY
On 24 Jan 1596 in St Neot Agnes LAUNDRY married William LAMPEN
On 30 Sep 1596 in St Neot John LAUNDRY married Agnes GROWDEN
On 8 Jul 1598 in St Neot Nyott LAUNDRY married Katherin YOUNG
On 27 Apr 1601 in St Neot Elizabeth LAUNDRY married Willm HARRYS
On 3 May 1601 in St Neot Robert LAUNDRY married Isabell LAMPEN
On 17 Feb 1622 in St Neot John LAUNDRYE married Jone MOORE
On 15 Jul 1622 in St Neot Kathrine LAUNDRYE married John COLE
On 13 Jan 1623 in St Neot William LAUNDRY married Jonne GARLAND
On 25 Oct 1624 in St Neot Johan (F) LANNDRYE married Walter DRYER
On 21 Sep 1629 in St Neot George LAUNDRIE married Anne BURGIS
On 3 Jul 1632 in St Neot Thomasine LAUNDRY married Robert DAWE
On 15 Jun 1635 in St Neot Martha LAUNDRY married Matthew OTTRAM
On 9 Feb 1646 in St Neot Jone LANDRY married John KEANE
On 9 May 1651 in St Neot Marrgerett LAUNDRY married Phillip COMBE
On 24 May 1654 in St Neot John LAUNDRYE married Marge POOLE
On 1 Jul 1669 in St Neot Agnes LANNDRYE married Sampson HAWKEN
On 3 Jun 1679 in St Neot Stephen LANDRIE married Elizabeth DAVIE
On 30 May 1681 in St Neot John LANDIER married Elizabeth HENA
On 16 Sep 1684 in St Neot William LANDRY married Lidia ALLEN
On 25 Nov 1684 in St Neot William LANDRY married Thomasin COULE
On 30 Apr 1689 in St Neot Jone LANDRIE married Robert BANNICK
On 20 Jul 1689 in St Neot John LANDYS married Prudence HAMBLY
On 7 Apr 1698 in St Neot Sampson LAUNDRY married Willmot ANSTIS
On 12 Feb 1703 in Colan John LANDER married Grace VARCOE
On 5 Feb 1705 in St Neot Joan LANDRY married John DAVEY
On 13 May 1706 in St Neot Jone LAUNDRY married Wm TAPRELL
On 6 Jan 1707 in St Neot Grace LAUNDRY married John WEBB
On 2 Dec 1709 in St Neot Elizabeth LAUNDRY married Peter DAVY
On 12 Nov 1720 in St Neot William LAUNDRY married Mary CRAPP
On 29 Jan 1722 in St Neot John LAUNDRY married Sarah SALMON
On 17 Jan 1734 in St Neot Stephen LAUNDRY married Elizabeth CRAPP
On 25 May 1735 in St Neot Peter LAUNDRY married Ann TOMS
On 12 Oct 1740 in St Neot Mary LAUNDRY married Henry ROWE
On 20 Jan 1742 in St Neot William LAUNDRY married Mary DAVEY
On 17 Aug 1745 in St Neot Stephen LAUNDRY married Phoda SWEETIE
On 12 Nov 1748 in St Neot Rebecca LAUNDRY married Hezekiah BROAD
On 12 Feb 1749 in St Neot Ann LAUNDRY married John GARLAND
On 18 Apr 1749 in St Neot Richard LAUNDRY married Mary BARNACOTT
On 8 Sep 1751 in St Neot John LAUNDRY married Elizabeth HEAST
On 26 Feb 1753 in St Neot Willm LANDER married Eliz BATE
On 29 Sep 1761 in St Neot Benjamin LAUNDRY married Ann BRADLICK
On 24 Jun 1766 in St Neot William LAUNDRY married Ann ROWE
On 11 Jun 1769 in St Neot Stephen LAUNDRY married Mary CONGDON
On 20 Aug 1770 in St Neot Ann LAUNDER married James DUMBLE
On 12 Jul 1773 in St Neot Mary LANNDEN married Richard VOSPER
On 28 Aug 1773 in St Neot Temperance LAUNDER married Edmund MOON
On 8 Feb 1774 in St Neot Simons LAUNDER married Mary MUTTON
On 21 Nov 1781 in St Neot William LAUNDRY married Elizabeth GARLAND
On 15 Aug 1794 in St Neot Mary LANDER married Mark MOYLE
On 1 Jan 1795 in St Neot Richard LAUNDREY married Jane WELCH
On 28 Oct 1798 in St Neot Ann LAUNDER married Nicholas GRIGG
On 31 Aug 1807 in St Neot Edward LAUNDER married Fanny GILES
On 19 Nov 1807 in St Neot Simon LANDER married Jenefer CRAPP
On 31 Mar 1836 in St Neot William LANDER married Eleanor RUNDLE
In 1837 in St Neot John LANDRY married Ann Rundle ROBBERTS

Regards,

alhal

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Cornwall / Re: Cornish strays in Rumworth, Lancs
« on: Monday 16 July 07 08:25 BST (UK)  »
Hello bergs,

Thanks for your interest.

The LANDRY family who were living at 21 Heatons Houses, Rumworth, near Bolton in Lancashire in 1881 (Census Ref RG11/3820/90/34/1341913) are Joseph (aged 30 - a Cotton mill fireman), his wife Mary J (aged 26) and their nephew William H Gandy (aged 5).

Joseph LANDRY was the brother of my Great Grandmother Caroline Jane LANDRY. The family came from the Busveal/Camborne/Feock/Gwennap/Truro area of Cornwall and at some stage their surname became transformed from LAUNDER. Their parents were William LAUNDER (part of family with long-standing roots in the Redruth area) and Jane LIBBY and they had 6 other children.

Living nearby at no. 40 Heatons Houses are a LIBBY family, relatives of my Great Great Grandmother Jane LIBBY.

There are also other LANDRY families living in the Bolton/Manchester area at this time.

I'm in touch with other people researching these names so which particular LANDRYs are you looking for?

Hope we connect, but I'm not holding my breath.

Regards,

alhal

(Allan Halstead - )

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