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Thank you for your reply Paco unfortunately it isn't the correct Ellen Humphreys. The record you indicated shows Ellen married where as my Ellen Humphreys was widowed in 1916

What is strange is that I am unable to trace Marne Street, Birkenhead in the 1939 Register even though I believe it still existed until the 1960's

Thanks for looking

Alan

Many thanks Garstonite for searching.

I did have the 2 baptisms you found and always did wonder about Henry's given profession of "Caravan man" as on all other baptism, birth and marriage records he appears to be shown  as a "Horse Keeper" and in the 1841 census as a "Private Watchman"

As for the family being "Travellers" there does not appear to be any indication of this in any family records (John Knowles born 1837 was my wife's Great Grandfather)   

I shall just keep plodding along looking for John or Thomas in the 1851 census but I fear the records for the family may no longer exist.

Once again many thanks for your lookups.

Alan

I am attempting to trace the following family in the 1851 census;
Henry Knowles born about 1796 (1841 census shows him as a Private Watchman not born in Lancs)
Esther Knowles his wife born about 1816 in Lancashire
John Knowles, son, born early 1837 in Salford
Thomas Knowles, son, born 15 April 1841 Salford
The 1841 census has the family living at Canal Street, Salford.

What is also known is that on the 23 June 1851 at 7 Phoenix St. Hulme Esther died age 40 of Kidney failure, Husband is shown as Henry a “Horse Keeper”? Informant was an Alice Bloomfield also of 7 Phoenix St. 

Now in the 1851 census the residents of 7 Phoenix St. Hulme included a family by the name of Bloomfield including the above Alice, and a family by the name of Latham, Esther Knowles maiden name. 

So can SKS please help me in tracing the Knowles family in the 1851 census or must I presume they are part of the census that was totally unreadable.

Many thanks
Alan

Could they have been cremated in which case they wont be listed on any of the Burial indexes i.e. NBI or LFHS Burial Registers

Alan

It's also perhaps worth pointing out that the said Strugglers Inn, birthplace of Wil* BALL was just across the road from the old Lincoln gallows and is said to have taken its name from the antics of those executed.

It is also a similar distance from the walls of Lincoln Castle which housed Lincoln gaol in the mid 1800s, so any appearance of Wil* BALL in the vicinity could be seen as a homecoming.

Hello Geoff 

Its good to have your valued input on this particular subject however I must take issue with Willit and a homecoming to the Strugglers.

I doubt anyone connected with the Police would have been welcome at that watering hole. You must remember that Willit's Father Philip Ball destroyed the Castle walls and was in and out of prison for over 15 years. Also Willit's eldest brother, Phillip William Ball, was  convicted of killing a man in a Lincoln brothel. I therefore think that Willit would have been safer living in Hull 

Alan