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Lanarkshire / Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
« on: Tuesday 24 October 23 02:26 BST (UK)  »
PS I've discovered Martin's parents! John Halliday (with various spellings) and Elizabeth Provan who married in Old Monkland in 1808. No further in how this family fits into the Halliday clan, though.

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Lanarkshire / Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
« on: Monday 23 October 23 21:28 BST (UK)  »
I certainly appreciate all that I have learned through your generous offerings on many subjects and have referred back to them multiple times over the years...  decades, even!

I solved another mystery just yesterday (although it makes for a new one):
In Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search - Part 2 ( Reply #123 on: Thursday 07 January 16) you had included a "Not too sure about the next 2 but just in case" (never underestimate those "just in case" entries!!!) for which you included inscriptions for two children of a George Brownlie and Janet Halliday.

What made these so mysterious is that there was of course the George Brownlie (s/o George Brownlie and Elisabeth King) who married a Violet Halliday!

Might there be an error in the records, I wondered - was Janet really Violet? Never one to give up, I discovered that Janet was the daughter of a Martin Halliday (1811-1861) and Catherine McMillan who married 1834 (Old Monkland). So now I also have the names of her six siblings!
However, I don't know who HER George Brownlie's parents were.
I also don't know how (or if) Martin Halliday may relate to "my" Hallidays!

Interesting that you have a connection to Margaret Halliday and John Gray, albeit indirect. You are correct - I am now fully confident that Margaret (and violet) were first cousins of my ggg grandfather John Halliday 1802-1853 (who m. to Elizabeth Blair Dick). He was one of the many coal miners to tragically die prematurely of a mine-related accident. A hard life that I can only try to imagine.

It was their daughter, my gg-grandmother Agnes Halliday who m. James Leggat (1841-1921). They eventually moved to Cumberland but sometime after Agnes died, James moved back to Wishaw and even married again late in life. His parents were James Leggat (b about 1816 Cambusnethan) and Jane Frew, and, based on his father's death record, his grandparents were James Leggat (a solider) and Janet Gilchrist!

I'm not aware of a Leggat-Paterson connected to "my" Leggats but beyond James Leggat who married Jane Frew, the branch is so far pretty sparse...
 
The information that I have gathered on Archibald and Robert Halliday is that they were brothers born in Perth to a Thomas Halliday and Anne Campbell. I don't know if they had other siblings. While Archibald and Marion's 12 children are quite well documented, that's not the case for Robert and Margaret (Williamson) who *I'm assuming* married in Crawford, where Margaret was apparently from and where two of their children, john and Agnes (1806) were born. I only know of their daughter Violet (cousin to the Violet who married Geo Brownlie) because of her 1839 death record, showing that she must have been born in about 1817.

So you can see why I thought there must have been other children but finding definitive records for them has been a challenge. One of the clues that helped me confirm that Thomas (b c1812) was their son was that he named a daughter Margaret Williamson Halliday! Thomas also married a Brownlie. From what I can gather, I figure she must be the daughter of Robert Brownlee and Marion Davidson. How all these Brownlies relate is still unclear. It's probably a fairly common name, isn't it?


I'm wondering now if, while compiling a tree for your nephew, you have found anything else on the ancestry of Robert and Archibald? Please feel free to email me if you would like to compare notes!!

Note: my postscript modifications are meant as clarifications!

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Lanarkshire / Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
« on: Monday 23 October 23 05:28 BST (UK)  »
Hi Ard,

I've had a look and can't find pictures of Halliday & Paterson or of Littlejohn & Young but, I do have Young & Littlejohn, would this be what you are looking for?
(...)
The 1st picture, Halliday & Brownlie, inscription reads -"Erected by Thomas Halliday and Marion Brownlie in memory of Robert Halliday their son who died 16th April 1840 aged 1 year and 6 months".
Hi Lodger - a couple of years ago you posted the above information (along with the corresponding photo) in response to my Halliday query. At the time I didn't know how or if this Thomas was connected to my Halliday branch of the family (some of whom are apparently buried in a Carluke cemetery). So I was thrilled to discover recently that Thomas was the brother of my 3xgreat grandfather John Halliday - It turns out that Thomas and Marion moved to Canada in the 1850s (paving the way for later Halliday relatives, it would seem).

It has been difficult for me to piece together the family of Robert Halliday (brother of Archibald Halliday) and Margaret Williamson because there are so many gaps in the records available online but I've long suspected there must have been other children besides the three that I knew of (i.e, John, Agnes and a much later Violet). Fortunately, quite a few from the subsequent generation are listed in the Wishaw Relief Church records - that was also something that you introduced me to years back!

So thank you yet again for going above and beyond...it really was that inscription (in context) and the Halliday-Brownlie connection that led me to investigate further and ultimately helped me fill in a missing family member all these years later!

ard

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Renfrewshire / Re: Cairn of Lochwinnoch
« on: Friday 11 November 22 15:50 GMT (UK)  »
For anyone who is interested, the entire collection has been digitized and can be accessed from here:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/359031?availability=Family%20History%20Library


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Lanarkshire / Re: Wishaw Relief Church Records
« on: Tuesday 23 November 21 05:47 GMT (UK)  »
That information was very interesting and it explains why half the population of Cambusnethan parish had 11 fingers and webbed feet   ;D
That's so funny - I'll have to let my cousin know - she's shown me her "webbed toes"!

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Lanarkshire / Re: Wishaw Relief Church Records
« on: Monday 22 November 21 15:28 GMT (UK)  »
As amazing as ever, Lodger and the Rootschat team! In relation to the Hallidays, I have a little puzzle on my hands. I have already been helped enormously with my related Hallidays on this site but I don't know if I have asked for this one (if I have, forgive me!)

My ancestor was Robert Halliday, married (probably at Crawford) to Margaret Williamson (b.Crawford -1859, Chapel buried Carluke?) and likely brother to Archibald who married Marion Penman.

Robert and Margaret had fewer children, one of which was my direct ancestor John (1804, Crawford-1853, M. Elizabeth Blair Dick 1807-1875). They also had daughters Janet (1806,Crawford -?) and Violet (C1818,?-1839 Chapel, buried Carluke). I figure they must have had other children between 1806-1818 but perhaps they simply didn't survive.

I have that a "Robert Hallowday" husband of Marion (Margaret?) Williamson, Buried 4 March aged 69 years. "Hallowday" seems to be an unusual spelling of the name but I figure this must be my ancestor Robert Halliday. (Margaret was widowed by 1851) Interestingly the same year (1856) there is another Robert Hallowday age 44 (b about 1807) buried 25/03/1851 629/30 435 Carluke ... Both with the same spelling seems more than coincidental! I have been wondering if he might have also been a child of Robert and Margaret. There is a certain continuity of place since later Halliday descendants appear to have been buried in the New Cambusnethan cemetery.

My question,is there anything in the available records that might shed some like on this little conundrum?

Ever grateful (!)

Ard

PS As far as I know, they were for the most part connected to the Relief Church as well....
PPS note: beyond what has already been revealed by: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=566572.117 ...in case there have been new discoveries? ;-)

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Scotland / Re: Portioner
« on: Saturday 13 February 21 15:12 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks, Istrice

I know that it is possible to consult the contents of the documents in Scotland but I live in Canada, so that won't be possible for me to do for a good while yet! I also think that Family Search (the Latter Day Saints organization) may have digitized several volumes (?) but, to my knowledge, these aren't available online, only through their centres, or maybe even only certain ones. A future project, to be sure... One day.....!

ard

https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/359031?availability=Family%20History%20Library

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Scotland / Re: Portioner
« on: Saturday 13 February 21 13:15 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks again Skoosh and Istrice! I always appreciate receiving links and hints 😉 I will definitely check them out, it's actually been a while since I've looked into the event in any depth.

Have a great weekend!

ard

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Scotland / Re: Portioner
« on: Friday 12 February 21 15:10 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks, Skoosh, I'll look into it! It's becoming increasingly clear that quite a few of my ancestors from that area were in the weaving trade, which becomes all the more significant and interesting in light of the hardships they faced and the subsequent "Insurrection' ... especially considering that several appear to have emigrated around that time.

 I find it particularly fascinating to discover the conditions facing my ancestors in various times and places!

Cheers,

ard

Ardeth

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